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Re: No Header, No Equalizer, No Problem!
@EdTheHeaterMan 's comments up there on "dry" and "wet" steam are absolutely correct, and thank you for going down that rabbit hole. I've caused enough trouble with comments on naming returns that I didn't want to…
Saturated steam — which is all we ever work with in residential use — has some fascinating properties, but being an ideal gas or even close isn't one of them. This can cause all kinds of merriment when people try to treat it as such…
Re: Lochinvar Ramp Delay Variations and What The Heck Does The Modulation Setting Do
Hot Rod - I do not know for sure, but I strongly believe you can do Boost OR Ramp Delay.
Tocker - My ramp Delay settings for low mass on 85K Knight are;
Step 1 - 3 min/ 30%
Step 2 - 3 min/35%
Step 3 - 3 min/40%
Step 4 - 2 min/45%
Step 5 - 1 min/50%
Step6 - 1 min/55%
Re: Lochinvar Ramp Delay Variations and What The Heck Does The Modulation Setting Do
I am able to hook up my laptop and monitor for long periods. This helps really see if you can calm the boilers fluxuations and work on getting as close to constant circulation at the lowest outdoor reset temps.
I agree each boiler/emitter system will be different, and each parameter set will vary. I followed Siggy's (John Siegenthaler) thought process in working towards the most simple system that maximizes the modern technology. I am sure the vast, vast majority of condensing boilers are underperforming their potential.
Re: No Header, No Equalizer, No Problem!
Technically, dry steam equals superheated steam—that is, steam with no water content at all. (but maybe not)
To make the point more clear, I go back to the definition of a BTU. One BTU is the amount of energy necessary to raise one pound of water by one degree Fahrenheit. We know that when water reaches 212°F, it will turn into a gas at sea-level atmospheric pressure.
To turn an entire pound of water from 212°F liquid to 212°F gas, it requires 970 BTU of energy. So when you add one more BTU of energy to that pound of water, the steam becomes superheated gas. That would be dry steam.
If you have a container (a boiler and radiator connected with pipes is effectively a container) and there is any amount of liquid water present, then you do not have superheated steam. By definition, you have wet steam.
If this were any other substance (like a refrigerant), we would say the system is saturated. The liquid is at the boiling point and the vapor is at the condensing point at the same time within that container.
To follow up on (but maybe not) We treat steam a little differently from other elements and compounds for some reason.
Dry steam is actually saturated steam with little or no liquid water carried with it. That is what we are trying to achieve in a steam heating system. We do not want to make superheated steam that stays superheated. We want to make steam that is as close to 100% vapor as possible as it leaves the boiler, and then have that steam condense back to water when it reaches the radiator so we can reap the benefits of all that heat energy in the rooms of our buildings.
At that point we want the steam to condense and give off all that heat into the rooms. The goal is for the piping system to deliver that saturated steam from the boiler to the radiators with as little energy loss as possible.
So, to be more clear about “dry steam,” we are really looking for what Paul is calling “wet steam” with as little “wet” in it as possible.
We still use the terms wet steam and dry steam the way they were used historically, back when the science was not widely understood. The average steam fitter knew that you needed a clean water surface, clean water, and large boiling surfaces to get the job done.
The detailed science of steam only became necessary when a problem appeared and someone needed to analyze it more deeply. So we use the term dry steam when we actually mean saturated steam that is almost completely a gas, even though we have found the science that defines our antiquated terms to be incorrect.
We still use many terms incorrectly, like sunrise and sunset, when we now know that the sun is not doing any moving at all to create that phenomenon. And a Shooting Star is not really a star at all, but we still use that term.
Re: Lifting up a Radiator
As others said I used to use blocks of wood and fulcrum. That is until I got these Dewalt lifting jacks. On a small radiator that just needs a little shim I can get away with only 1. Otherwise I use a small section of unistrut at an angle under tye radiator and a jack on each end. Quick and easy to lift and shim. I also used them on furnaces, baseboard and water heaters to level equipment.
Re: No Header, No Equalizer, No Problem!
You fill the “10th Man“ role for the residential steam community, challenging assertions so we don’t fall into group think!
PC7060
Re: No Header, No Equalizer, No Problem!
@ethicalpaul My compliments on another nice video.
Dry steam for definition purposes may equal the least amount of water vapor where wet steam would have the most before it changes state back to water. When steam and condensate travel in the same pipe it is a counterflow system changing state as the temperature changes in that pipe.
When I see a video like this I tend to think that I have customers, manufacturers, and inspectors and payroll to satisfy when changing and piping a steam boiler. I have to get it right. These videos give me some grace in thinking that I might have some leeway in the process. However, to satisfy the above I am bound by rules that work in the customers favor and there for my own. Again liked the video, heck, all of your videos.
Intplm.
Re: Can you please critique this boiler setup that was installed in my house two wks ago
It looks like they enlarged the single supply. It might even be as per manufacturer specification. But even if it's not, it's fine.
New boiler install in closet
Hey fellas. I wanna hear all of you fellas comment on my lady like installation. It took me a couple of weeks, after six years of planning.
The piping is done. I will install a Taco zone controller (my old Azel isn’t powerful enough for the stupid Google thermostats I got talked into) and I will wire up the thermostats and pumps on Monday after a mind rest. So this picture is just piping only.
I’m now drinking beer on a Friday afternoon now, and I’m waiting to hear everybody tell an 63 year old lady (contractor licensed) exactly what they think. You can be honest with me. Go for it.
It is a two zone system. Upstairs high temp is staple up, downstairs in slab Lower temp
Go ahead— make my day.





