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Re: Glycol clean up
Bummer! Acid is about the only way I know to get stains that have gone into the concrete
When we sold our last property the shop floor had oil stains from parking the tractor in there, engine oil and hydraulic oil.
I went to Concrete Specalities and they sold me an acid based cleaner that brought it back to new looking. I have seen this used on driveway oil stains also.
I'm not sure about any finish that it has on the slab, and if you would need to reseal it after an acid bath?
hot_rod
Re: Why isn't running the DHW tankfeed through a boiler coil for fast winter recovery a common practice?
In this post:
go to comment #3, where icesail talks about using a storage tank with an indirect coil. His recommendation is just to use a regular water heater as the storage tank. But what if you took it a step further, and used that water heater as a water heater in the summer and as a storage tank in the winter? The indirect is powered by a circulator, you could put that circulator on a relay attached to the boiler on/off, so the circulator can only run when the boiler is on. That way you won't have cold water running through your boiler in the summer.
Re: Why isn't running the DHW tankfeed through a boiler coil for fast winter recovery a common practice?
There is an effect if the water is still routed through the coil when the boiler is not operating - it cools the boiler and can cause nasty condensation.
Re: weekly maintenance
Are you very familiar with your system or is it a new house for you? How long have you owned it and how has it been operating for you? If my returns in my 100 year old single pipe system were clear like yours I don't think I would be doing it at all, or maybe just check monthly for a while and if they were still clear, check every few months etc. You only need to remove a very small amount to check.
Definitely do pH control. I am using Rectorseal 8-way at up to 2 oz. per gallon. I'm trying to keep my pH between 9.5 and 10 but I have an improperly piped boiler with copper which can corrode at higher pH and I have near boiler piping issues that make me prone to wet steam/carryover so I especially want to avoid higher pH which could cause foaming, especially with the rust particulates I get.
I don't think anybody should really tell you not to remove a few thimblefuls of water from your sight glass when it looks as muddy as that (edit - after watching your video that water was super clear compared to mine), at least without knowing what the TSS (total suspended solids) reading is as well as how your boiler tends to operate with respect to: does the sight glass surge up and down, does it plummet too low during steaming, etc.. Once you get TSS up around 30 to 50 ppm you are getting in the danger zone for wet steam/carryover and over 50 would be high risk. It all depends upon how your system behaves and how good of an installation it is. Since you have a two pipe vapor system maybe it is much more well behaved than my single pipe system is. OK to drain a smidge now and then from the sight glass to make sure it is reading correctly but it is better for getting sludge and particulates out, to drain from the boiler drain down lower, and with a full port drain valve rather than the crummy one the boiler comes with.
Does your makeup water come from the hot side of your water heater? Because that should be less full of air than cold tap water would be. I use preboiled distilled water for makeup water but I am learning that too pure water can cause problems for some people if their whole boiler is filled with it due to too low TDS possibly causing explosive super heated boiling which can contribute to surging and possibly wet steam/carryover. Should be in the range of 1000 to 2000 ppm. Probably depends upon how excellent their near boiler piping is as well. I think it is working fine for me to use all distilled water but that could be because my boiler is 21 years old and has scale or something, that may be adding to TDS. I need to get a TDS meter.
Oh and I watched your video. How often are you checking the LWCO? Weekly? What is your procedure? If you are draining that much water and putting the same amount of hot tap water back into the boiler, then you most definitely will be adding too much fresh oxygenated untreated water. I hear some people on youtube like Mikey Pipes saying to do that monthly, but they just let the water feeder add fresh water to fill back up. I think that's insane, in general, and depending upon the particulars, like is there an extreme TSS problem from the piping etc...
Re: 0-3 gauge and negative PSI
I think I'd recommend a Magnehelic to anyone that wants a better gauge. They really seem to handle abuse well.
They seem to tolerate vacuum fine, even if they're not a combination pressure / vacuum version.
Here's mine showing a decent vacuum shutting down. The smaller gauge above it is a Dwyer 8-0-16"WC gauge. I think it's a LPG4-D9122N
ChrisJ
Re: 0-3 gauge and negative PSI
Turns out the one I got several years ago has no brand name on it and is made in Taiwan (edit to add - Kodiak Controls KC25, was $30 in 2014, now $39). I made my pressuretrol/gauge tree with a cross in the middle for cleaning out with an air compressor and a large cable tie when I don't feel like going the full monty and disassembling for better cleaning. I can install a second gauge or a manometer there temporarily for finding out what's what with this gauge.
Why isn't running the DHW tankfeed through a boiler coil for fast winter recovery a common practice?
When I purchased a 4 family the oil fired steam boiler had a tankless coil, and they were switching from using the 75 gal gas fired tank in summer to the coil in winter when the boiler was firing. IDK if they actually had an aquastat on it, I immediately had the oil boiler replaced with gas. What we did was run the feed to the tank through the boiler and a mixing valve. The result is when the street water is 40 deg the tank is getting preheated water so it never runs out! At the time there were several families of 5 and 6 living there and winter tank recovery seemed like it could be a real issue. I understand you get tank standby losses you would not have with using just a coil, but you'd have those same losses with just a tank.
Now I'm replacing the boiler again (trust me you don't want to know) and wondering if I should give up on this scheme. I'm told that only W-M is offering a 200k btu boiler with a tankless. But it seems like such a brilliant way to get synergy between the 2 appliances. Thoughts? Is it a waste of money?
Re: Any Roth Oil Tank Downsides?
Here in MA we only have B5 biofuel so far, but our oil company routinely puts Mitco 264-100M spin-ons on our oil tanks. Those are B100 compatible filters.
Re: Can I run a spacepak heat pump system concurrently with my two-pipe steam boiler?
We already have the heat pump! Our SpacePak air handler (in the attic) is connected to a Bosch IDS light 15 SEER heat-pump condensing unit (outside.) We've already used it for heat in the shoulder season.




