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Re: Just to stir the pot...
I ve been trying not to comment on any thing which may have any political over tones and the whole save the planet going green air to water heat pump garbage and end of fossil fuels and all grid all I can really think and say is control and who gonna have it ,it certainly will not be the people on the end of the transmission lines . It does not take much adjustment of hertz on a grand scale to get people in line w lowering their thermostats just lower the hertz .
The all in one basket and some one else controlling the throttle just doesn’t give me a warm feeling . It s really even funnier is where all out to save the world and environment but where gonna but our eggs in a basket being driven by older technology on even older wheels the grid and then use a slightly Enviromental harmful refrigerant to produce heat . **** sounds quite absurd especially since in every transmission of energy there’s a lose at some level even at a sub atomic particularly level in quantum physics but I quest this is not revenant when it comes to 70 year old transmission lines .
Wool is often never used by magicians but the saying is pulling the wool over . And let’s all not be completely ignorant and believe in tooth fairies and nonsense . You can’t put in less and get more than was put in impossible unless just on paper . A really final note on the nonsense to all who wish and think this is the next big ice cream cone in the sky which will answer and solve all energy issues will satisfy the issue ,not really there’s always another big ice cream cone in the sky coming down the pike . Human nature is greed a non reality based thought and occurrence ,the true reasoning is never known and when it comes to energy those w there ducks in a line will hold the keys ,just look at where the money is who sponsoring these programs,mostly politicians who are already in relationships w big energy . So believe what you want But as Einstein said ww4 sticks and stones and us sooner or later back to flint and steel when all decision making is done by those who will profit and due best for themselves by the profit .
Every one complains about crappy techs unable to troubleshoot anything and well w throw away refregerant and cheaply made equipment made like garbage ,what will happen w all the new garbage that no one w a brain can fix or get parts for well you freeze .
I really often reframe from commenting due to how far off track most all posts end at and the fact that it s more arm chair then spinners and hardly any pros posting due to bashing and guys who may be smart but are not doing this professionally for a living and the under lining political under tones and views really cut my comments and replies to nil . There s some stirring the pot for you all ,ps please do no get reality confused w negativity .
Peace and good luck clammy
The all in one basket and some one else controlling the throttle just doesn’t give me a warm feeling . It s really even funnier is where all out to save the world and environment but where gonna but our eggs in a basket being driven by older technology on even older wheels the grid and then use a slightly Enviromental harmful refrigerant to produce heat . **** sounds quite absurd especially since in every transmission of energy there’s a lose at some level even at a sub atomic particularly level in quantum physics but I quest this is not revenant when it comes to 70 year old transmission lines .
Wool is often never used by magicians but the saying is pulling the wool over . And let’s all not be completely ignorant and believe in tooth fairies and nonsense . You can’t put in less and get more than was put in impossible unless just on paper . A really final note on the nonsense to all who wish and think this is the next big ice cream cone in the sky which will answer and solve all energy issues will satisfy the issue ,not really there’s always another big ice cream cone in the sky coming down the pike . Human nature is greed a non reality based thought and occurrence ,the true reasoning is never known and when it comes to energy those w there ducks in a line will hold the keys ,just look at where the money is who sponsoring these programs,mostly politicians who are already in relationships w big energy . So believe what you want But as Einstein said ww4 sticks and stones and us sooner or later back to flint and steel when all decision making is done by those who will profit and due best for themselves by the profit .
Every one complains about crappy techs unable to troubleshoot anything and well w throw away refregerant and cheaply made equipment made like garbage ,what will happen w all the new garbage that no one w a brain can fix or get parts for well you freeze .
I really often reframe from commenting due to how far off track most all posts end at and the fact that it s more arm chair then spinners and hardly any pros posting due to bashing and guys who may be smart but are not doing this professionally for a living and the under lining political under tones and views really cut my comments and replies to nil . There s some stirring the pot for you all ,ps please do no get reality confused w negativity .
Peace and good luck clammy
clammy
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Re: Feasibility to Relocate Steam Radiator
I would suggest trying to use 90° elbows in the horizontal run. It give you more flexibility with slope, swing joints, and alignment. I moved one in the process of remodeling my daughters bedroom and this is how I did it. So far quiet as a church mouse. The vertical riser is 1" pipe, but I upsized all the horizontal pipes to 1 1/4" to help ensure adequate room for the steam and condensate to coexist.
KC_Jones
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Re: Feasibility to Relocate Steam Radiator
My experience has been that the longer the horizontal pipe immediately in front of a radiator, the more noise created. I would recommend that if you try this and it makes banging or gurgling to max out the size of the horizontal pipe to the same size as the inlet to the radiator and use a reducing elbow at the top of the vertical pipe.
Re: YOU WANT TO HEAR A GOOD ONE?
@EdTheHeaterMan
Now that is a good one. Sometimes I wonder who found my secret stash of green army men in the ducts of the little house I grew up in, maybe they are still there waiting.
Now that is a good one. Sometimes I wonder who found my secret stash of green army men in the ducts of the little house I grew up in, maybe they are still there waiting.
GGross
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Re: What should I set my PSI regulator to?
That depends on several factors. I remember that one boiler would not operate unless the pressure in the system was above 18 PSI. But if your boiler does not need a minimum pressure of more than 12 PSI, then you should be good to go at 12 PSI cold fill pressure.
Another factor is how high the water needs to go above the boiler. Are you sending the water up to the 5th floor when the boiler is in the basement? Then you will need more than 12 PSI. If you are in a building that is 2 stories (plus a basement) then the 12 PSI is all you need.
Since most auto feed valves for residential heating systems are factory set at 12 PSI and most expansion tanks for residential heating are pre-charged at 12 PSI, then I would just go with 12 PSI. It is a lot easier that way. You want to use good design practices in order to cause air to leave the system via the main air vent near the boiler. that would be pumping away from the expansion tank that is located on the Hot or Supply side of the boiler piping.
More research is needed by you based on your question.
I hope this helps.
Another factor is how high the water needs to go above the boiler. Are you sending the water up to the 5th floor when the boiler is in the basement? Then you will need more than 12 PSI. If you are in a building that is 2 stories (plus a basement) then the 12 PSI is all you need.
Since most auto feed valves for residential heating systems are factory set at 12 PSI and most expansion tanks for residential heating are pre-charged at 12 PSI, then I would just go with 12 PSI. It is a lot easier that way. You want to use good design practices in order to cause air to leave the system via the main air vent near the boiler. that would be pumping away from the expansion tank that is located on the Hot or Supply side of the boiler piping.
More research is needed by you based on your question.
I hope this helps.
Re: Replacing a battery- operated thermostat with a EcoBee thermostat
Hello @tomsloancamp,
Looks to me like the pan sensor uses the Red and the Black for power (24 VAC), and the Gray and Purple just interrupts the Yellow wire functionality, compressor control (White out to the compressor) so if the drain is plugged up the compressor gets shut off before the pan overflows.
So you are up and running ?
Looks to me like the pan sensor uses the Red and the Black for power (24 VAC), and the Gray and Purple just interrupts the Yellow wire functionality, compressor control (White out to the compressor) so if the drain is plugged up the compressor gets shut off before the pan overflows.
So you are up and running ?
109A_5
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Re: Replacing a battery- operated thermostat with a EcoBee thermostat
Hello @tomsloancamp,
So you are not operational yet ?
The manual gave me the impression that it was screw terminals, not wire pigtails with some missing. Anyway connect the Blue to the C at the thermostat and connect the Blue to the Brown under the wire nut.
The old thermostat ran off a battery the EcoBee most likely wants to get power from the Red and the Common. The Blue wire will give the Common a path to the thermostat. The Blue is at the thermostat in the wall, or did they cut it off ? I don't see the Blue in the thermostat mount plate picture.
In your case the White is unused (no heat), unless it need to be a substitute for a cut off Blue. Then connect the White to the C at the thermostat and connect the White to the Brown under the wire nut.
So you are not operational yet ?
The manual gave me the impression that it was screw terminals, not wire pigtails with some missing. Anyway connect the Blue to the C at the thermostat and connect the Blue to the Brown under the wire nut.
The old thermostat ran off a battery the EcoBee most likely wants to get power from the Red and the Common. The Blue wire will give the Common a path to the thermostat. The Blue is at the thermostat in the wall, or did they cut it off ? I don't see the Blue in the thermostat mount plate picture.
In your case the White is unused (no heat), unless it need to be a substitute for a cut off Blue. Then connect the White to the C at the thermostat and connect the White to the Brown under the wire nut.
109A_5
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Re: Please Fact-check Retired Plumber's Advice Re: TRVs & Lockshields
Mainly a TRV offers automatic temperature control for individual radiators or groups of radiators. By design, balancing comes along with some TRV assemblies
Lock shield is just the brass valve itself. It is a manual valve that in most cases can be upgraded with a TRV head
You do not need a valve on both ends of a radiator, as the system you have now works with one valve, and that valve can slso manually balance.
so unless you are adding TRV functions now or later really no need to just add a lock shied
It really comes down to your wants or expectation first. Do you need or want radiators controlled automatically? For comfort and fuel savings?
Next us it worth the time and money to do the upgrade?
I agree with the plumber that it will be a bit of a job upgrading. Working with old threaded pipe, things can go bad. Id find a plumber with a lot of threaded pipe experience. It will probably be an older guy or gal👳♀️👳♂️
While not a common in the US, millions of TRV are sold yearly in Europe and other parts of the world, they work great with modern boilers
Lock shield is just the brass valve itself. It is a manual valve that in most cases can be upgraded with a TRV head
You do not need a valve on both ends of a radiator, as the system you have now works with one valve, and that valve can slso manually balance.
so unless you are adding TRV functions now or later really no need to just add a lock shied
It really comes down to your wants or expectation first. Do you need or want radiators controlled automatically? For comfort and fuel savings?
Next us it worth the time and money to do the upgrade?
I agree with the plumber that it will be a bit of a job upgrading. Working with old threaded pipe, things can go bad. Id find a plumber with a lot of threaded pipe experience. It will probably be an older guy or gal👳♀️👳♂️
While not a common in the US, millions of TRV are sold yearly in Europe and other parts of the world, they work great with modern boilers
hot_rod
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Re: Peerless Coil Replacment
@ethicalpaul The coils are only 2-4 years old. Tankless coils usually last a lot longer than that. Most coils get changed because the gasket leak because the torque on the bolts is not maintained. Then the gaskets leak and deteriorate.
I admit a tankless is not the best way to heat hot water but for a small family they can be ok. I can see spending thousands for a HPWH or a new boiler or indirect when he may only need a gasket bolts and some labor.
I admit a tankless is not the best way to heat hot water but for a small family they can be ok. I can see spending thousands for a HPWH or a new boiler or indirect when he may only need a gasket bolts and some labor.
Re: Oldest steam boiler still in use
They are fire tubes. The brick directs flue gates up the outside of the boiler shell about 2/3’s of the way then allows it to travel back over the top of the boiler to the breeching. There are “smoke shelves” inside arch to guide flue gases. Definitely attempting to improve efficiency.
Scott Fewer
