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Re: Difficulty in Properly Sizing Equipment - 2140 Sq Ft New Construction Spray Foam House
For your approval:
I've created a spreadsheet that models the annual electricity use for a Mitsubishi HyperHeat heat pump, in Suffolk County, for heating. Rated capacity is 54,000 BTU/hr at 47F. I used the 39,000 BTU/hr design load that @2Luckysat provided.
You can view the analysis here:
The tab labeled "Summary" shows the performance at each temperature between 60F and the design temperature. The calculated weighted COP is 3.1.
I used the performance data from the Neep.org site at:
https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/156628/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
to create the performance curve that is in the tab labeled "Performance Curve," and is the basis for estimates of output and COP.
The climate data — hours per year at each temperature — also comes from Neep.org and was measured at Grabeski Airport.
I also did a similar analysis with a smaller HyperHeat unit,
https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/156607/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
That is only rated for 40,000 BTU/hr at 47F and therefore is somewhat undersized. At temperatures below 15F it would require backup resistance heat and 1.5% of the annual heating load would have to come from backup heat. However, the smaller unit would run in a more efficient part of its range for more of the heating season, so the seasonal COP is higher — 3.4 vs 3.1 — including the electricity used for resistance heat.
What this shows me is that when it comes to looking at heat pumps, simple rules of thumb are somewhere between useless and harmful. To really get a picture of the energy usage you have to analyze a specific piece of equipment, in a specific house, in a specific location.
Re: Difficulty in Properly Sizing Equipment - 2140 Sq Ft New Construction Spray Foam House
People tend to overestimate how cold a place is and how long it stays cold. In most places, most of your heating energy use is when the outdoor temp is well above your design temperature. Most places spend so little time at design temps that efficiency at that point simply doesn't matter.
The one number ratings are not the best but in this case the HSPF2 typically shown is for zone 4 which is the OP's area. If you look at the Carrier units I linked to earlier, their HSPF2 is 9.3 and 10. That works out to a seasonal COP of 2.73 and 2.93*. Assuming the units are sized properly, you should be able to hit that with a heat pump install.
I'm in colder climate with cheap electricity and reasonably priced natural gas. If you include the cost of meter fees, the operating cost of a heat pump VS gas is about the same.
*HSPF2 ratings assume restrictive ducting representative of typical install. If you spend some time and design those well, you get even higher efficiency for minimal cost increase.
Re: Plate heat exchanger
I'd be looking for a route for the pipes that goes through only conditioned space.
Re: Replacing Circulator Pump
You can replace the "motor only" of some older pumps. If it is a wet rotor pump like the Taco 00 series pumps or the Grundfos UPS series pumps, you can leave the housing bolted to the pipes.
- Take the pump motor and impeller (cartridge) off of the housing (that has the flanges) of the new pump.
- Have the O ring or gasket ready from that new pump also
- remove the old pump motor and impeller off of the old pump (in the fly or dry either way) and put the new pump motor and impeller on the housing, be sure that the O ring or gasket is lined up properly.
- Bolt the new motor housing in place.
I have found that is ofter an easier repair than trying to line up and bolt together the two separate flanges and getting the flange gaskets set properly.
Re: 1 thermostat five zone valves
why bother with all the fancy wiring, just leave the zone valves manually open and run your one thermostat to tt on the aqua stat relay
Re: Difficulty in Properly Sizing Equipment - 2140 Sq Ft New Construction Spray Foam House
@Roger is the winter in Long Island 30F every hour?
Re: Beckett Oil to Propane conversion kit: requesting advice / suggestions
You can't compare your home too your neighbors.
I agree somethings not adding up.
Re: Beckett Oil to Propane conversion kit: requesting advice / suggestions
@Dog8 , if you are burning that much oil, there is something else amiss. I know oil is expensive — but you are using at least as much, if not more, oil per square foot as the house Cedric powers uses — which is 7,000 square feet usable space, built between 1780 and 1890, with no insulation.
The first thing to do is to see if you have any insulation at all. Next, go find all the air leaks. And fix both problems. Also add storm windows if you don't have them.
Re: Beckett Oil to Propane conversion kit: requesting advice / suggestions
First things first. Are you quite sure that the price of propane, per BTU, is less than that of oil? Enough less to make the switch pencil out. Remember that a gallon of propane has only about two thirds of the BTUs that oil does — so you'd need half again as much propane to keep warm as you do oitl…
Re: Difficulty in Properly Sizing Equipment - 2140 Sq Ft New Construction Spray Foam House
What are your local utility costs? Around me oil is about 3x the operating cost of a heat pump so it makes no sense for a new build.
You area already adding ducting for AC, so your additional cost is only the up charge to a heat pump which will be a fraction of the cost of oil tank, boiler, plumbing and rads.
18/BTU per sqft in zone 4 sound very high for a tight new construction. I would doublecheck the manual J assumption as something is off. It should be closer to 8-12btu/sqft.
Even assuming 39k is correct you could heat the house with a combination of:
https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/64682/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
and
https://ashp.neep.org/#!/product/64684/7/25000/95/7500/0///0
These are modulating units, if you look at the turndown on cooling it is pretty decent so even though it is oversized for cooling load, it should still turn down enough.
My guess once you get your manual J dialed in, a single 2 or 2.5 ton cold climate heat pump can heat and cool your place without issues.
Bonus of a heat pump is the SEER rating on it is much higher than your typical AC, so your cooling costs will also be significantly less.