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Re: Young People - The Smart Phone Generation
For what it's worth I've seen people in multiple movies and tv shows from the 1940s,50s,60s and even 70s talk about how "kids these days are lazy and just don't care". This includes British shows. I'm 90% sure I've heard it on Dragnet and Barney Miller as well.
I came to the conclusion this is how it's always been and people that think their generation was better at anything, are wrong.
Not to mention, "Take a shower you dirty hippie" or, "Get a job hippie" wasn't created for Millennials.
Hey look, a 1950s "damn Millennial".....Back then they were called Beatniks, but same thing, lazy kids..
For those that don't know, that's Maynard G Krebs played by Bob Denver aka Gilligan.
ChrisJ
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Re: NEST-MCLAIN EG-40 BOILER-HOW TO INSTALL NEST POWER CONNECTOR
Took 6 months to come up with that!Brian4848 said:Most of these responses are useless and pompous. It's surprising this site has lasted as long as it has. Good luck with your shaming gents! Smh.
pecmsg
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Re: InSinkErator Garbage Disposal
There was definitely a Seinfeld about an illegal garbage disposal.Kramer put one in his shower.......
Re: InSinkErator Garbage Disposal
There was definitely a Seinfeld about an illegal garbage disposal.
Milorginite is a thing, but most places don't do that. I suspect there is an issue with chemicals and metals too.
Milorginite is a thing, but most places don't do that. I suspect there is an issue with chemicals and metals too.
mattmia2
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Re: Painters
Sorta on-topic, sorta off...
My friends and I moved into a brand new 'luxury' student apartment/townhouse in the fall of 1986. Took a lot of convincing to get our parents to let us live away from the dorms and with less supervision, but we managed to get that done. The construction was not complete when we moved in. The paint had been sprayed on - after the plumbing fixtures were installed - the craftsmanship was nothing short of pathetic. The only furniture that was in the 'fully furnished' place was the beds. Nothing else.
One of the big selling points was that these new units had Central Air Conditioning. It was mid August, hot and muggy when we moved in. The front concrete steps had been poured that morning and we couldn't walk on them. It was miserable. After we moved in, we were sitting on the living room floor enjoying a nice cold Old Style - since there was no furniture. Then a couple more Old Styles. Anyway, we sat there on the floor drinking beer and patting ourselves on the back about how we'd scored this brand-new place. It was expensive, but we felt it was worth it. The air conditioning was on, but it didn't seem very comfortable. More beer was consumed. It continued to get hotter in the living room. We started to wonder if we'd made a bad decision.
I remember thinking that maybe if I sat next to the air conditioning vent, it would be cooler. I looked around. No vent. Checked the kitchen - no vents. Bedrooms - nothing. It dawned on us all about the same time. The carpeting had been put in the night before in a rush. They'd carpeted over every vent!
Much like people in your trade, farm boys are pretty clever after about a case of beer and being swindled out of some of our parents' money. It didn't take us long to use our trusty pocketknives to find every vent in the place and get it opened up. More beer was consumed after our victory, and we were heroes of the entire complex as we offered to go around to the units occupied by the college girls and offer to 'check' their vents as well.
I know I'm droning on here, but my oldest son moved into a unit in the same complex in the mid 2010s. (It appeared that in 25 years, the owners had spent possible tens or even hundreds of dollars in upgrades) Same carpet. Same everything. Anyway, he kept complaining that their kitchen outlet was loose. They'd called in a work order, but nothing was getting done. I didn't know what 'loose' meant exactly, but I decided I'd take a look and grabbed tools and a new outlet and went down to take a look. The outlet was junk - just worn out. I shut off the breaker and proceeded to replace it. As soon as I pulled it out, everything came rushing back. Every single wire was painted white. Easy enough to scrape the paint off with my fingernail to see what I was doing - but still, some problems just never go away. Got it fixed. Asked the boys for an Old Style. They just started at me and offered something called an IPA.
My friends and I moved into a brand new 'luxury' student apartment/townhouse in the fall of 1986. Took a lot of convincing to get our parents to let us live away from the dorms and with less supervision, but we managed to get that done. The construction was not complete when we moved in. The paint had been sprayed on - after the plumbing fixtures were installed - the craftsmanship was nothing short of pathetic. The only furniture that was in the 'fully furnished' place was the beds. Nothing else.
One of the big selling points was that these new units had Central Air Conditioning. It was mid August, hot and muggy when we moved in. The front concrete steps had been poured that morning and we couldn't walk on them. It was miserable. After we moved in, we were sitting on the living room floor enjoying a nice cold Old Style - since there was no furniture. Then a couple more Old Styles. Anyway, we sat there on the floor drinking beer and patting ourselves on the back about how we'd scored this brand-new place. It was expensive, but we felt it was worth it. The air conditioning was on, but it didn't seem very comfortable. More beer was consumed. It continued to get hotter in the living room. We started to wonder if we'd made a bad decision.
I remember thinking that maybe if I sat next to the air conditioning vent, it would be cooler. I looked around. No vent. Checked the kitchen - no vents. Bedrooms - nothing. It dawned on us all about the same time. The carpeting had been put in the night before in a rush. They'd carpeted over every vent!
Much like people in your trade, farm boys are pretty clever after about a case of beer and being swindled out of some of our parents' money. It didn't take us long to use our trusty pocketknives to find every vent in the place and get it opened up. More beer was consumed after our victory, and we were heroes of the entire complex as we offered to go around to the units occupied by the college girls and offer to 'check' their vents as well.
I know I'm droning on here, but my oldest son moved into a unit in the same complex in the mid 2010s. (It appeared that in 25 years, the owners had spent possible tens or even hundreds of dollars in upgrades) Same carpet. Same everything. Anyway, he kept complaining that their kitchen outlet was loose. They'd called in a work order, but nothing was getting done. I didn't know what 'loose' meant exactly, but I decided I'd take a look and grabbed tools and a new outlet and went down to take a look. The outlet was junk - just worn out. I shut off the breaker and proceeded to replace it. As soon as I pulled it out, everything came rushing back. Every single wire was painted white. Easy enough to scrape the paint off with my fingernail to see what I was doing - but still, some problems just never go away. Got it fixed. Asked the boys for an Old Style. They just started at me and offered something called an IPA.
Re: Painters
I once had call from a homeowner where we had done some plumbing & heating work over the summer. This was right after Christmas and he was extremely annoyed that several rooms wouldn't heat properly.
That summer we had installed a new indirect water heater and did some near boiler piping improvements including new zone valves on the return piping & moving the circulator so it was pumping away - at the time he was having frequent issues with air bound second floor heating zones.
I met the homeowner in his boiler room the next day and had him cycle tstats on & off while I checked the operation of all the equipment. Much to his dismay I told him everything was working as designed; he accused me of ripping him off and screwing up his heating system.
I asked him to show me the cold rooms and that's when I discovered the baseboard heating dampers were closed tight & sealed by several coats of caulk & fresh paint........
That summer we had installed a new indirect water heater and did some near boiler piping improvements including new zone valves on the return piping & moving the circulator so it was pumping away - at the time he was having frequent issues with air bound second floor heating zones.
I met the homeowner in his boiler room the next day and had him cycle tstats on & off while I checked the operation of all the equipment. Much to his dismay I told him everything was working as designed; he accused me of ripping him off and screwing up his heating system.
I asked him to show me the cold rooms and that's when I discovered the baseboard heating dampers were closed tight & sealed by several coats of caulk & fresh paint........
MikeL_2
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Re: Combining baseboard and in-floor temperature issue
Sometimes it is easier to see how the water flow will work when you add some temperature numbers to the water and some pressure numbers to the water. Here are some Temperature numbers in the attached diagrams. There is a problem with @Mad Dog_2 diagram, (not just upside down). When you get to the inlet of the cold water to the mixing valve... the water temperature may be as high as 160° if the baseboard is ramped all the way up to the maximum temperature during a design temperature day. The reset curve may yield 180° supply to the baseboard with a 20°ish ∆T at the return. Since the mix cold inlet is attached to the baseboard return, the lowest temperature the mix valve could provide has to be no lower than the 160° inlet to the C on the valve.
I have modified @Mad Dog_2 's diagram in the second file. This will take the C on the mixing valve from the return of the low temp loops. That will let the Mix on the mixing valve have temperatures closer to the desired temperature because the C inlet will be drawing from the coldest water in the entire system.
In the second diagram, the low temp pump can run with the internal boiler pump without using the system (Baseboard) pump. Also the system pump can run without the low temperature pump if only a baseboard zone is calling. I believe this will eliminate the concern that @hot_rod mentioned "pumps in series".
I was trying to make the least amount of change to the existing design in order to make the contractor more likely to agree to the repiping. There is no way around placing a circulator within the MIX to radiant tubing to C on the Mixing valve and boiler return. There will be no pressure difference to force the water thru the radiant loops after you repipe the C on the mixing valve to the proper location.
Your plumber should get familiar with this Plumbing and Mechanical article https://www.pmmag.com/articles/88035-the-do-s-and-don-ts-of-three-way-thermostatic-valves-br-john-siegenthaler-pe/. This is the trade journal for his trade!
See how the pump location is between the Mix port of the mixing valve and the tubing manifold. This is how the professional should do the job.
In the next paragraph (diagram 2) it specifically states that the piping design your plumber used is NOT the "Best Practice" for radiant floor piping design
By adding a high temperature system to the mix, the cold inlet will not have access to any lower temperature water in order to "Mix Down" the floor temperature.
I have modified @Mad Dog_2 's diagram in the second file. This will take the C on the mixing valve from the return of the low temp loops. That will let the Mix on the mixing valve have temperatures closer to the desired temperature because the C inlet will be drawing from the coldest water in the entire system.
In the second diagram, the low temp pump can run with the internal boiler pump without using the system (Baseboard) pump. Also the system pump can run without the low temperature pump if only a baseboard zone is calling. I believe this will eliminate the concern that @hot_rod mentioned "pumps in series".
I was trying to make the least amount of change to the existing design in order to make the contractor more likely to agree to the repiping. There is no way around placing a circulator within the MIX to radiant tubing to C on the Mixing valve and boiler return. There will be no pressure difference to force the water thru the radiant loops after you repipe the C on the mixing valve to the proper location.
Your plumber should get familiar with this Plumbing and Mechanical article https://www.pmmag.com/articles/88035-the-do-s-and-don-ts-of-three-way-thermostatic-valves-br-john-siegenthaler-pe/. This is the trade journal for his trade!
See how the pump location is between the Mix port of the mixing valve and the tubing manifold. This is how the professional should do the job.
In the next paragraph (diagram 2) it specifically states that the piping design your plumber used is NOT the "Best Practice" for radiant floor piping design
By adding a high temperature system to the mix, the cold inlet will not have access to any lower temperature water in order to "Mix Down" the floor temperature. Re: Young People - The Smart Phone Generation
My niece tells me I'm from Generation K - for "kranky". I tell her at my age I've got plenty to be cranky about.
Bob
Bob
BobC
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Re: InSinkErator Garbage Disposal
Same here but I didn’t immediately figure out the disposal could be adjusted. Wasted a few minutes resetting to improve alignment.ethicalpaul said:The video on their site shows you locking the disposal ring, then you can twist the disposal in either direction to align it. The disposal still spins in the gasket after the ring is locked.Yeah, coincidentally I just installed one a couple weeks ago and that was my experience
PC7060
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