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Re: System considerations for hydronic system spanning 40 ft height
Greetings all! Bit of a physics thought experiment I guess, but I don't want to make any assumptions... I'm planning a 40 ft tall addition build with hydronic heating (and I will attempt cooling). Hydronic will be in the insulated on-grade slab, plus ceilings in the upper levels. Each level is small, at 25x19ft interior floor footprint, with 1/4 taken up by stairs/pneumatic elevator that won't have hydronic. So the lowest point of the system will be at almost 0 ft, and the highest point will be at about 37 ft height. Theoretically, when the system is full of water there shouldn't be any impact from gravity ( I think...) since the downward force will equal the upward force almost exactly- aside from minute differences from density caused by temp differences. The question is whether that is true in practice, and whether I would need to make any special system design considerations for the height, when compared with a system that is "flat". Thanks in advance!==================================================================================================================================
You don't have to fight with this and try to overcome gravity, you make gravity work for you.
A top fed gravity hot water system like top fed steam is the Cadillac of heating systems and does not require a circulator or bladder expansion tank, the only requirement is a small steel open to air expansion tank.
My home had an open to air expansion tank that was saddle mounted in our laundry room ceiling and had 5 gallons of water in it and a water level gauge tube in the end of the tank.
Why are you not considering making it a top fed gravity system for this place and take advantage of the fact that heat rises and cooler water sinks and does not require a circulator?????????????????
The single riser pipe from the boiler steam chest could be routed up the staircase opening to the open to air expansion tank and the hot water would be directed from the tank to the third floor with an OS fitting and the cool water return to the cool water return stand pipe from the third floor to the second floor and then from the second to the first then to the boilers 2 sump tapping's to start heating it again for its trip upward to the third floor.
In Mr. Holohans excellent book "CLASSIC HYDRONICS" in Chapter 4 provides the reader with an excellent side view drawing of a bottom fed gravity hot water system.
The top fed gravity hot water system elminates air bubbles as all the hot water rises to the top in the single hot water riser to the open to air expansion tank and then is fed to each floor starting at the top floor and then the second floor and then back to the first floor using a common drop pipe with OS fittings.
The great thing about this method is that there is no circulator nor the need to bleed air out of the system BECAUSE THERE IS NONE.
With a top fed steam system all you would need is three small radiators connected in series top to bottom using a single steam riser pipe and one drop pipe feeding the top radiator as they would be connected in line with each other if my memory of the flow of the dry steam is right and there is no need for return piping or a circulator.
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Re: Boiler Piping question
@EdTheHeaterMan- Well the crew came today, but I could not be there due to work commitments, and they did the job, but not as you said.



When I got home they were still there and had just packed up the truck. I asked him about the combustion anaylsis and they said they did not know anything about that, I should call the office.
They totally missed the point about the 18" of strait pipe, and put the air scoop between 2 elbows. This is like a clown show, this the 4th time they were here.



When I got home they were still there and had just packed up the truck. I asked him about the combustion anaylsis and they said they did not know anything about that, I should call the office.
They totally missed the point about the 18" of strait pipe, and put the air scoop between 2 elbows. This is like a clown show, this the 4th time they were here.
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Re: 4 wire control cable, How does the control work? Mini split heat pump.
Putting in smaller wire couldn't possibly fix the problem. If it did the electrician had something connected wrong
Re: NYC Council bill being drafted for radiator inspection
Don't these people have anything better to do?
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Re: NYC Council bill being drafted for radiator inspection
maybe a part of the inspection can be recording each radiator pressure, with a penalty for overages of 2 psi, payable for each radiator,
that might get the boiler keeper's attention to dial it down,
# yeah, fer real
that might get the boiler keeper's attention to dial it down,
# yeah, fer real
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Re: The case of that time the boiler blew up with Ray inside the boiler room, this Friday's case.
This weeks video doesn't have a problem to solve. It's me sharing a dumb thing I did when starting a boiler. The installer was offended that I offered to meet him on the job site to go over the installation. He felt I was insulting him. The tech told me he has been installing boilers for thirty years and didnt need help from some out of town rep. When I started the boiler, I didnt bother checking the electrical connections. The installer connected the line voltage to the gas valve terminal rather than the L1. I check the wiring on every startup Let me know what you think of the video this Friday
Next time just tell him that's ok it's never too late to learn the right way.
ChrisJ
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Re: Do old radiators lose efficiency?
Older doesn't necessarily make wiser, @EdTheHeaterMan !
Re: New Carpet Upstairs - Rainforest Downstairs
I'd be pretty amazed if he could remember any details about a job he did 16 years ago. I can't remember what I ate 2 days ago.
That said, did you look under the carpet at all to see if they ran tackless etc?
It could be a complete coincidence. But there's a good chance it's not.
That said, did you look under the carpet at all to see if they ran tackless etc?
It could be a complete coincidence. But there's a good chance it's not.
ChrisJ
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Re: Carlin Pro-X 70200 Alarm Contacts
I wish my girlfriend had Alarm Contacts... Then I would know in advance that I'm in trouble and could prepare.


