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Re: Gas piping
You may feel good "showing up" the inspector, but trust me, your Victory will be Short-lived. I work in The 5 Boros of NYC and Long Island 🏝.. No inspector wants to see a union ANYWHERE but downstream of a Gas cock AND at the appliance. Their reasoning is sound: They don't want to make it so easy for a Homeowner, DIYer, or Jack Leg GC to attempt gas work. Left and Right couplings and nipples don't stand out like a big chunky ground joint union...they also baffle the Heck out of anyone who has never put one together successfully ha ha. Gennady is 100% right. With the news gas rules, the party is OVER with any gas repairs & installations. The Licensed Master plumbers hands have been shackled.Once again, the pendulum swings too far one way..then they other....over the top in my opinion. In the 1970s and 198os it was a free for all: Plumbers would spilt up houses to make 2 family and even have a 3rd meter for the illegal basement apartment. The gas utility loved it and would hang meters with a phone call. Oil to gas conversion?? No problem...no permits...no gas pressure test,, Leave the oil tank in the lawn...no big deal. Mid 1990s that started to change.. Now Licensed plumbers are being punished for all the Unlicensed guys,, GCs and Homeowners who did their own work and left leaks and in NYC a few years ago,, blew up buildings. Tightening up enforcement is great, punishing the Licensed plumber ONLY hurts the Public who will be left LONG periods without heat,, hot water and cooking gas...😠 Mad Dog 🐕
I am not trying to feel good showing up the inspector the code should be the code.You should not have to guess if you will pass a inspection or not. There are not that many pages in the code. If every one read the code now that they are readily available to view for free online and spoke up there would be less of a Russian Roulette to inspections. You seem like a pretty knowledgeable plumber. Don't you think you should share your knowledge with the others to prevent these types of traps. We can always petition to have the code changed to "exclude unions except" in NYS but until then they are not prohibited.
Please read below and show me where unions are prohibited and if not let me know how an inspector can change the code even though the code says otherwise
[NY] 104.2 Waivers, variances, and modifications. Noth-
ing in this code shall be construed as permitting any building
official or any authority having jurisdiction to waive, vary,
modify, or otherwise alter any provision or requirement of
this code or any other provision or requirement of the Uni-
form Code. Provisions or requirements of the Uniform Code
may be varied or modified only in accordance with proce-
dures established by Part 1205 or by such other regulations
as may hereafter be promulgated by the Secretary of State
pursuant to Section 381(1)(f) of the Executive Law
[NY] 104.3 Alternative materials, equipment, appliances,
designs, and methods of construction. The provisions of
this code are not intended to prevent the installation of any
materials, equipment, or appliances not specifically pre-
scribed by this code, or to prohibit any designs or methods of
construction not specifically prescribed by this code, pro-
vided that such alternative materials, equipment, appliances,
designs, or methods of construction (1) are not specifically
prohibited by any provision of this code, by any other provi-
sion of the Uniform Code, or by the Energy Code and (2)
shall have been approved, in writing, by the building official.
Alternative materials, equipment, appliances, designs, or
methods of construction may be approved only when the
building official shall have determined, in writing, that such
alternative is:
1. Satisfactory and complies with the intent of the provi-
sions and requirements of the Uniform Code, and
2. Not less than the equivalent of that prescribed in the
Uniform Code in quality, strength, effectiveness, fire
resistance, durability, and safety.
Nothing in this section shall be construed as permitting any
building official or any authority having jurisdiction to
waive, vary, modify or otherwise alter any provision or
requirement of this code or any other provision or require-
ment of the Uniform Code. Provisions or requirements of the
Uniform Code may be varied or modified only pursuant to
procedures established in Part 1205 or by such other regula-
tions as may hereafter be promulgated by the Secretary of
State pursuant to Section 381(1)(f) of the Executive Law
CFH
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Re: Gas Piping - teflon tape
Reason to comply:
I'm sure that they have their bogus and prejudiced reasons.
Like thicker tape on gas. The tape just fills the microscopic annular spaces in the threads. Like candle or lamp wicking. Which usually peeled out when I made up well pipe.
Those that can (like you) should be left alone and for the "Those That Can't" should stop hassling those of us that can with stupid, petty rules that make them feel impotent.
You've cut, threaded and screwed together more pipe than I would have ever seen in my life. But if I EVER had to connect to something existing, that I didn't personally install, there is no way I would ever connect it without tape. Because if or when it leaked, I would be taping it to fix it. I've recently watched some real experts apply tape down here. They stick their finger inside the spool and quickly wrap 3 or 5 wraps in the male end of a fitting. With probably a 1/8" of tape past the end of the fitting hanging off the end of the threads. That's where the strings come from.
I also remember fitting CI pressure fittings on boilers and feeling that sick feeling when the fitting suddenly becomes easier to turn and doesn't change. And you have to take it out and throw it away. At your expense. Or the one that cracked and no one noticed it until the system was turned on. Then, it was one heck of a project to replace it. They are never where it is easy.
I'm sure that they have their bogus and prejudiced reasons.
Like thicker tape on gas. The tape just fills the microscopic annular spaces in the threads. Like candle or lamp wicking. Which usually peeled out when I made up well pipe.
Those that can (like you) should be left alone and for the "Those That Can't" should stop hassling those of us that can with stupid, petty rules that make them feel impotent.
You've cut, threaded and screwed together more pipe than I would have ever seen in my life. But if I EVER had to connect to something existing, that I didn't personally install, there is no way I would ever connect it without tape. Because if or when it leaked, I would be taping it to fix it. I've recently watched some real experts apply tape down here. They stick their finger inside the spool and quickly wrap 3 or 5 wraps in the male end of a fitting. With probably a 1/8" of tape past the end of the fitting hanging off the end of the threads. That's where the strings come from.
I also remember fitting CI pressure fittings on boilers and feeling that sick feeling when the fitting suddenly becomes easier to turn and doesn't change. And you have to take it out and throw it away. At your expense. Or the one that cracked and no one noticed it until the system was turned on. Then, it was one heck of a project to replace it. They are never where it is easy.
Re: Gas Piping - teflon tape
Baltimore City prohibits tape on gas piping too. BTW, this thread dates back to 2014................
Re: New York City gas
What is the reason copper is allowed in some areas but not others?ChrisJ said:I hope THEY NEVER ALLOW it...Scary...Chris...no one worth their salt in NYC brazes gas..thats a bad joke, right? Mad Dog
It was a joke, though I'm not sure why it's bad.
A good quality brazed joint is quite strong, and apparently allowed by code in NYC.
It’s allowed in NYS because there are areas that allow for copper tubing and flare/brazed connections. Copper tubing is not allowed in NYC for gas piping.Put your brazing rods away in the 5 boroughs.
I believe I've heard the same thing about NJ? I think it's allowed for LPG, but not NG or is that incorrect?
Either way, what is the reason for not allowing it?
ChrisJ
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Re: New York City gas
It’s allowed in NYS because there are areas that allow for copper tubing and flare/brazed connections. Copper tubing is not allowed in NYC for gas piping.ChrisJ said:I hope THEY NEVER ALLOW it...Scary...Chris...no one worth their salt in NYC brazes gas..thats a bad joke, right? Mad DogIt was a joke, though I'm not sure why it's bad. A good quality brazed joint is quite strong, and apparently allowed by code in NYC.
Put your brazing rods away in the 5 boroughs.
JohnNY
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Re: New York City gas
Clearly the real pros weld or braze gas piping in NYC.
Threaded joints are for DIY.
Threaded joints are for DIY.
ChrisJ
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