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Re: Firebox heat exchanger with a buffer tank
These seem to be common in the UK. The UK is the largest boiler market, but now being taken over by A2WHPs.
It shouldn't be too hard to insulate a tank in your attic?
hot_rod
Re: Your opinion please about Temu sponsorship
Ray please have a look at these reddit posts. Sponsored content, and what is acceptable for you and your audience is a really deep subject with a whole lot of opinions, there is an entire segment of youtube videos that discuss this at length. Normally I would say if it doesn't compromise the content then have at it. As a viewer most sponsored ads are fine to me, I don't like when product review channels take sponsors from products they might otherwise review, or in the case of music channels the ones that are advertising their own AI replacement currently.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PartneredYoutube/comments/1hkwoom/is_temu_sponsorship_legit/
Re: Firebox heat exchanger with a buffer tank
Yes, it is still called an open to air expansion tank
Please keep in mind that you need marine plywood to cover the stock tank and under the tank and pressure treated lumber under the full sheet of marine plywood that is on the joist stringers.
You need to spread the weight of the stock watering tank over a wide area so you need to be sure to have enough dimensional lumber under the tank and heavy 1 inch marine plywood under the tank as well as on the tank lid.
A 55 gallon barrel will not be large enough to give you a buffer in an overhead open to air tank, a stock watering tank will. The galvanized stock tank will have a drain plug that you can use for the drop pipe to the radiators and a solder joint can be used to connect the hot water riser.
The problem you will have and continue to have is excess moisture in the attic. If you can have a drip pan soldered together with a drain hole that you can attach a hose to drain to a laundry sink all the better.
If you purchased an open to air expansion saddle tank and hang it from the roof trusses you could avoid moisture in your attic by having the drain line come into the living space rather than through the attic.
Re: Firebox heat exchanger with a buffer tank
There are trade-offs with the buffer tank size. The larger the tank the more thermal lag you have on a cold start as the tank needs to warm.
But more tank capacity gives you more "no fire" run time.
The over-heat function seems to be the tank in the attic. If you plan on boiling that for protection you will need to continually add water.
Adding water continues to add scaling minerals to the system. And wasted energy
Those heat exchangers inside the firebox can be hard to control, especially when the fireplace is running for heat also. The basic concept for excessive hot water production is "use it or lose it" same with large thermal arrays in the summer.
This is a common solid fueled beast used in the US. Large water content to buffer, open unpressurized, wood mess is outside.
hot_rod
Re: Dual oil tank line issues
Compression fittings were used all the time in the old days. People liked them because they didn't have to (or didn't know how) to flare.
Even when I started in 73 we flared everything.
Compression held up fine if put together and left alone. A lot of the old burners even came with compression nozzle lines. They leaked if repeatedly taken apart
They haven't been outlawed forever, maybe 30 years ago.
I am not so sure the valves closest to the tank are fusible they look different. Maybe they are I know they say Firomatic on them, but something tells me they are not fusible. I think I ran into those in the distant past.
I think the second valves were added because the first valves are not fusible.
The OP posts because his tanks won't equalize. A simple problem.
I don't see why he should be told "everything is wrong, "put on a tiger loop" "filter the tank" "double firomatics" "replace the tanks" "repipe the compression" and everything else.
Just fix the problem
Re: Dual oil tank line issues
@EBEBRATT-Ed They won’t equalize because of the sludge. Those tanks are probably loaded with them. It’s only going to get worse.
Cleaning the tank is not advisable. The sludge is most likely what’s keeping the tank from leaking. Spending money to have someone come out to clear line lines (over and over) is not money well spent, not to mention risking a breakdown, which will cost the OP more money. Putting in additives at this point is a waste of money.
It’s not bad advice to recommend replacement of 40-50 year old tank. Bigger costs if it starts leaking.
It’s not bad advice to point out compression fittings are against code. There’s no such thing as being 'grandfathered in'. The fact that they may be taking the oil lines on or off to try to fix their clogged lines means touching those compression fittings, which means there is an increased chance of an oil leak or a vacuum leak-more problems.
I like fixing things rather than replacing. But anything other than replacing and doing it right is throwing good money after bad. And it’s going to need to be done sooner than later anyway.
Re: Well color me impressed! (LONG post)
The zone valve connection information has been out there probably for decades but folks refuse to read the instructions and/or if they do they still decide to do things wrong. Steam boiler near boiler piping is a classic example of not following instructions.
With the White Rodgers 1361 zone valve, a relay is not needed if the zone valve is wired correctly to the system and the Taco document explains why. A transformer failing after 9 years of service is most likely just a transformer failure especially if no NEW actual underlying system issue is found.
Generally transformers are very reliable, but they do fail.
Nothing wrong with isolation relays, even if you don't need them, except you have added another device to the system that can also fail.
This below is more like Lawyer CYA speak than Electrical Engineering.
Re: Indirect water heater as steam(water) to hydro zone HX (poor heat transfer)
you are sure both circulators are spinning?
The coil could thermosiphon from the boiler imitating a plugged coil?
hot_rod
Re: Indirect water heater as steam(water) to hydro zone HX (poor heat transfer)
what are the temps at the 4 ports of the tank?
Re: Oil guy couldn't fill my tank today
Modern oil is just as efficient as modern propane. A condensing propane heater can only be more efficient when condensing, which isn’t often.
Propane equipment needs service too.
Propane supply can be sketchy during peak demand and right now there’s an actual supply shortage in SE Pa.
Diesel generators run on ulsd heating oil just fine. However the price for a small whole house diesel generator is almost double.
At the end of the day, you'll do what’s best for you, I just want anyone who stumbles onto this thread to get the proper information.




