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Random NYCHA maintenance man on YouTube documents a building right out of the 25 steps
https://youtu.be/yLyYXOi9Fto?si=srNaMBZqILvWmFWrThis video has it all.
Cramped basements. Double trapped return lines. Water and steam spewing from overhead. A zone valve on a steam main. A gauge reading 8psi. A vacuum pump that's completely **** and dumping water all over the floor. Commenters cursing out the man behind the camera.
I'd guess he's arrived at this building somewhere between steps 19 and 20.
He doesn't seem to have figured out that the root cause is steam traps (instead calling it "too much steam") but apparently he's the first person to arrive at that building with more than zero curiosity 🤣🤦♂️...
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Re: Help Please! Old 2-pipe System
I'm going out on a limb a bit, and maybe you've already taken care of this -- but the Dunham residential systems were and remain exceedingly sensitive to excess steam pressure. In theory the air elinator trap float should close the air vent -- which, incidentally, must be the ONLY air vent on the system -- when the pressure in the boiler gets too high to allow condensate to flow back to the boiler. This will allow pressure from the boiler to build in the dry return, and hold the water level where it belongs. If that float doesn't close properly -- or if it does, but there is another vent ANYWHERE on the system, ... repeat: ANYWHERE -- even on a radiator! ... that won't happen, and the boiler water will back out into and flood the dry return and, very likely, the returning steam main.
This sounds to me very like what you are experiencing.
There are three things to do. First, the boiler must be controlled by a vapourstat, not a pressuretrol, and set to cut out at not more than 10 ounces. This must be verified by an accurate low pressure gauge. Second, go out in the system and, if you find a vent anywhere, remove and plug it. Third, ensure that the float in the air eliminator is free and that the vent opening on the eliminator is really closed when the float is up
Come to think of it, there's a fourth: if you find a steam main somewhere out in the wilderness which terminates, there must be a crossover trap there to the adjacent dry return (and a drip from both the man and dry return to a wet return at floor level) -- and that crossover trap, and the crossover shown in the diagrams near the boiler (which I think you said was missing?), must be operating properly.
If the Dunham air check is in place on the air eliminator, then the system may be able to produce a vacuum of considerable depth -- in which case the check valve on the return must really work.
This sounds to me very like what you are experiencing.
There are three things to do. First, the boiler must be controlled by a vapourstat, not a pressuretrol, and set to cut out at not more than 10 ounces. This must be verified by an accurate low pressure gauge. Second, go out in the system and, if you find a vent anywhere, remove and plug it. Third, ensure that the float in the air eliminator is free and that the vent opening on the eliminator is really closed when the float is up
Come to think of it, there's a fourth: if you find a steam main somewhere out in the wilderness which terminates, there must be a crossover trap there to the adjacent dry return (and a drip from both the man and dry return to a wet return at floor level) -- and that crossover trap, and the crossover shown in the diagrams near the boiler (which I think you said was missing?), must be operating properly.
If the Dunham air check is in place on the air eliminator, then the system may be able to produce a vacuum of considerable depth -- in which case the check valve on the return must really work.
Re: Help Please! Old 2-pipe System
Where does the pipe to the "inlet" of the air eliminator go?
I don't know specifically with the Durham system, but usually that sort of connection is to the steam main to inject pressure in to the returns to let the water return to the boiler if the pressure differential is too high. If you keep the pressure under 10 oz it shouldn't be a problem. Do you have a low pressure gauge that can accurately measure the pressure on the main?
A stopcock is just a plug type of valve, it opens and closes with 1/4 turn.
I don't know specifically with the Durham system, but usually that sort of connection is to the steam main to inject pressure in to the returns to let the water return to the boiler if the pressure differential is too high. If you keep the pressure under 10 oz it shouldn't be a problem. Do you have a low pressure gauge that can accurately measure the pressure on the main?
A stopcock is just a plug type of valve, it opens and closes with 1/4 turn.
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Re: Dip Tube Replacement on a Weil-Mclain Gold Plus 60
I made an edit to my last comment: I just wonder if one was a little handy and was able to get a piece of PEX tubing and heat the end a little then make it flare at the end, if that would work just fine for the time left on that tank?
Re: 100 years ago today-- heating fuel choices
In the early 1970's many schools and hospitals that did not have access to natural gas were looking for a cheaper fuel for their steam boilers than #2 fuel oil. The company I worked for in Pittsburgh, Pa. came up with the solution, bituminous coal. We converted many of these boilers to coal using either a ram or screw stoker. The screw stoker was used on smaller boilers while the ram stoker was used on larger units. Most of the conversions were done on horizontal fire tube boilers. To reduce the need for manual tube cleaning, soot blowers were added. Most of the time a brick arch was added to the firebox above the burning coal to enhance the burning of that coal. Other devices were added to help produce a clean burn so smoke from the stack or chimney was almost non-existent. Imagine, burning soft coal with little or no smoke.
Re: Don’t know what to say?
I wonder if this might work just as well?

But you could not clock as many hours as this

So somebody made some extra money here. And they are probably very proud of their work.

But you could not clock as many hours as this

So somebody made some extra money here. And they are probably very proud of their work.
Re: heat energy purge benefits by running circ pump a little longer?
There are several ways to do it. One thread on the topic is here:
https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1788675#Comment_1788675?
The Beckett AquaSmart is one particular control that has this function built in. I installed one on my boiler:
https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/176551/nice-job-beckett
https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1788675#Comment_1788675?
The Beckett AquaSmart is one particular control that has this function built in. I installed one on my boiler:
https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/176551/nice-job-beckett
Re: Plumbing archaeology
Tetraethyl lead is added to increase the octane rating cheaply and somewhat lubricate the valves. Neither of those things would be helpful in a jet engine and are likely to foul things. You are likely exposed to more lead from the dust by roads from about 50 years of adding lead to motor vehicle fuel.
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Fish House in Berkeley
I was here yesterday flushing air out of the radiant (polybutylene). It's pretty wild and very well done.














