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Re: Steam-one boiler or two, and, Atmospheric vs Gun
Not that you asked but according to many people on this site and at least a few low pressure steam boiler manufacturers, all three boilers should not have lasted with the near boiler piping. We see boilers piped in similar fashion often and they often last a long time despite the welded piping. The best example may be the Weil McLain 78 with the steel welded risers welded directly to the header. There is certainly no room for expansion, no flanges, no swing joints, etc. Despite the piping, the boiler appears to have lasted roughly twenty five years. For the record, Weil McLain made the 78 series from 1993 through 2002.
With regard to your question(s), I would not install a gas power burner in the existing 78 boiler. I think you will regret it. Due to the age of the boiler and the controls I think you are on borrowed time. Replace the boiler with a W/M 80 series with a gas power burner. Measure the standing radiation and size the new boiler accordingly. Might want to follow the installation manual for piping to prevent warranty issues. I think the fuel savings will be substantial.
The SGO boilers look to be in better shape, but I believe they could be as old as 1996. If money is real tight, install a gas line and replace the oil burners with gas power burners. When the boilers finally fail, replace them with two atmospheric boilers. You might lose a little efficiency but there are less moving parts and less noise. Oh, and don't forget to follow the installation manual or some of the "Wallies" won't sleep at night.
Re: What would cause such rapid destruction of valves?
Most hydronic components are rated for 30- 50% glycol mix. I don't know that that fill valve is glycol approved?
Some of those Watts had a little rubber flapper as a check on the discharge, but it looks like glycol was inside that fill valve.
Hopefully there is a BFD as that glycol then could enter the homes water piping in the event of a low or no pressure condition.
hot_rod
Re: Air to Water Heat pump controllers
What size are these 3 units?
What is there now for controls?
I'd let the manufacture control the air to water temps.
pecmsg
Re: Weil Mclain H-9 boiler from the 60's...
That setup does use a thermocouple- it is connected to the White-Rodgers "automatic pilot" control, which cuts off the electricity to the main gas valve if the pilot goes out. But it is not a "100% shutoff" system since the pilot gas is not cut off if the pilot goes out.
Converting that would require a combination gas valve that could handle at least 560,000 BTUH. ISTR Robertshaw makes these. You'd reroute the thermocouple and pilot tube to the new combination gas valve, remove the separate pilot valve and plug the opening.
Re: What would cause such rapid destruction of valves?
Chemistry says: If glycol becomes acidic, it becomes an electrolyte and your combination of iron, copper, brass, bronze becomes a battery or multiple batteries. The frost on top of your Fill valve is whitish and slightly blue? Not iron. Not copper. Maybe Zinc. The acid and electricity can bust the zinc out of copper-zinc brass over time. Maybe faster if more volts in the batteries. I suggest you measuring galvanic voltage and external voltages between all near and far parts of your heat system and plumbing pipes.
Re: What would cause such rapid destruction of valves?
so that Cryo-tech antifreeze that leaked out would cause that much corrosion?
Re: What would cause such rapid destruction of valves?
Speaking as a homeowner,
Galvanic Corrosion, also known as bi-metallic corrosion caused this.
If you are going to keep this plumbing as is-
When replacing the parts you should be using bronze fittings/pipe nipples etc. all the way back to the heavy wall pipe and tees, and a bronze shut off valve and bronze pipe nipples to shut the boiler water off from the pressure regulator as you should only be filling the system ONCE and shutting the water off and leaving it off. You also need a back flow preventer piped before the water feed and pressure regulator.
Re: Heating not working in the floor where the distribution system was changed
Releasing trapped air is one of the high points in my day. So satisfying.
Re: Is this a house trap?
Easy to snake out to street sewer & in to building. In NY, we'd do this is cast Iron but pvc may be fine out where you are. Mad Dog
Re: Is this a house trap?
In any case, this was not a proper installation from the day in went it. If they can't get their snake through the trap, you're best off cutting that out & install a proper clean out tee as your first fitting past the foundation, replace the trap and tie in the fresh air inlet properly. Mad Dog

