near toilet floor constantly wet
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i'm betting it was the stem of the ballcock
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really old ball and siphon. I'm gradually getting rid of them…
Br. Jamie, osb
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I believe @Jamie Hall might be referring to the fill valve 1/8 flexible tube filling into the flush valve overflow tube. It was dislodged. That's what I got from his comment.
I have had all of what I have posted above that are more common place. Those things are first.
I have also had the kid not closing the shower door or shower curtain. The adjacent shower valve leaking. Cracks in the fixture. Cracks in an adjacent fixture. A person in the house spilling water and roof leaks tracking water to this type of location. ROOF LEAKS !!
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the stack usually goes through the roof near the bathroom so the stack flashing is a common source of leaks in a bathroom
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In my 1/2 bath I had an Eljer "Emblem" WC. The one's with the squarish front.
Wet under the bowl, changed the wax and still wet.
There was a silicone caulk plug in a hole that was necessary apparently for the casting of the bowl.
I re-caulked the opening and was good for 2-3 years.
The Eljer then went to the curb and was replaced by an American Standard elongated bowl design…….would never get standard shaped bowl again, the extra bucks are worth it for comfort and targeting.😉
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That bottom of that loop is dry.
The tissue paper that I placed underside did not register any dripping dents either
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This is the shower stall.
But the leak source seems to be closer to the back wall than to the shower valve
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This is the basement level, so not roof leak
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roof leaks can make it to the basement. i'm not saying that is what it is but it certainly is possible, especially if there is a pipe in a chase from the roof for it to follow.
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I suggest stop using the shower for a week.
I also recommend putting some dye in the toilet tank before every flush.
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Is the shower in regular use or just idle? If it's in use, avoid using it for a while like @MikeL_2 suggests and see if the water dries up
It would also be worth popping the shower handle escutcheon off and seeing if you can see any visible leaks from the shower handle body
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It is vacant for months. Shower and toilet both are in idle. Water is shut off at the meter.
The shower water supply and valve is not particularly close to the water stain. This has left me confused.
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is the stack vent in that wet wall? roof leak coming down the outside of the vent?
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The vent area in the roof is still in good condition
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If nothing else is found as mentioned. The next thing is to look in the wall.
@pumpcontrolguy makes a very good suggestion. Removing the escutcheon from the shower valve and looking and listening inside the wall is a great idea.
The water could be tracking down from the vent stack or the buildings framing regardless as to how well it may look.
Since the bathroom is not being used as you mention, water can be tracking from a leak other than the fixture where the leak appears. Keep note of when it rains. I had a similar leak that came from outside and was delayed in showing itself. Use a garden hose and spray the suspected area(s) and take note of what happens and or how long the leak reappears.
The leak could also be coming from another bathroom or plumbing fixture and track from there.
I also had a leak occur like this from an over extended drier vent. Water pooled and leaked from the vent pipe. Keep track of when you use the clothes drier.
Good luck. Patients will win the race.
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leaks with flat roofs can really travel. we had a room with a leak in the middle of the room that turned out to be from the stone coping at the edge of the roof failing.
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Flat roofs are like swimming pools. The membrane can get damaged and cause all sorts of leaks.
One guy years ago and new to the trade, said he drilled a hole in a flat roof from below and instantly regretted it. Draining the roof into the building was not his intention. Yikes!!
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If water seeps through the vent hole along the stack, it usually leaves water stain on the ceiling or walls on the top wall. Currently there are no water stains on the top floor
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I had a leak that was running down the vent pipe to the first floor, across a joist and leaking out of a door crack. Later on, it moved and leaked out of a baseboard, no traces up higher at all.
After fixing it, it re-appeared 10 years later leaking across the 2nd floor ceiling in a totally new location.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Got stuck at this step when I disassemble the shower handle
The shower handle assembly is supposed to slide off at this step, then the trim sleeve can be removed to reveal the cartridge. But the handle does not slide off. Is there a puller designed to pull it off?
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did you remove all the screws or setscrews? a lot of delta products with that style handle have a setscrew in the side somewhere. the cartridge itself is plastic so once all the fasteners are out it should just pull off with some wiggling.
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there is not a set screw.
they have a tutorial video, 2:45 is a similar faucet model to mine
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the one in the video has a setscrew
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Sometimes the setscrews are hidden under a little plug, so maybe check for that.
But if there's really not one and/or you've already removed it having difficulty the handles can also get stuck in place with mineral deposits. spraying inside that assembly with CLR or vinegar then letting it sit for a bit can help in that case as it can help break those deposits free
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If you watch that video from 2:40, that model does not have a set screw on the handle
It seems the handle is welded to that gear tip of the cartridge assembly by crude
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I have kroil. Is kroil suitable to apply ?
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if all the fasteners are out some wiggling and pulling will get it free, metal doesn't seize to plastic.
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you could also put a socket or piece of pipe or tubing against the end of the broach between the center stem and the broaching and use a handle puller or something similar to press it off
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kroil probably wouldn't be super useful here. The CLR or Vinegar are acidic to help break down calcium or such that has deposited between the handle and the cartridge.
Sometimes you just need a little brute force. A slide hammer puller can be handy for something like this
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Using a pry bar, the handle came off easily. Inside the space, I saw soldered pipes and some conduit, but didn't see any water leakage.
The last one is the ground of the space behind the tiles. Cannot see any water stains clearly.
This tracing work has to wait..
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The electrical in the second to last picture is very rusty. Some water is getting there.
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Also, having a junction box in an inaccessible space like that is a Code violation. We frequently see this but that doesn't make it right.
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Junction box is always placed behind drywalls, right?
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It could be just the 50 years of moisture
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That the flex supply to the toilet has rust spots all over it
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Could be water splash from the hand wash to the left. But yeah, why does stainless steel braid rust?
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can be but must be accessible via removable panel
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never. it has to be mounted through the surface or in an accessible attic or crawl space or other accessible space
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Is this a screw in the pipe
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