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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,574
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 27,284

    really old ball and siphon. I'm gradually getting rid of them…

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,998

    I believe @Jamie Hall might be referring to the fill valve 1/8 flexible tube filling into the flush valve overflow tube. It was dislodged. That's what I got from his comment.

    I have had all of what I have posted above that are more common place. Those things are first.

    I have also had the kid not closing the shower door or shower curtain. The adjacent shower valve leaking. Cracks in the fixture. Cracks in an adjacent fixture. A person in the house spilling water and roof leaks tracking water to this type of location. ROOF LEAKS !!

    Larry WeingartenPC7060
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,574

    the stack usually goes through the roof near the bathroom so the stack flashing is a common source of leaks in a bathroom

    Intplm.
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Member Posts: 1,790

    agree @Intplm. - had very small leak that I traced down to a crack in the u-bend. How does that happen? 😖

    Intplm.
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,548

    In my 1/2 bath I had an Eljer "Emblem" WC. The one's with the squarish front.

    Wet under the bowl, changed the wax and still wet.

    There was a silicone caulk plug in a hole that was necessary apparently for the casting of the bowl.

    I re-caulked the opening and was good for 2-3 years.

    The Eljer then went to the curb and was replaced by an American Standard elongated bowl design…….would never get standard shaped bowl again, the extra bucks are worth it for comfort and targeting.😉

    azward
  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55
    edited February 16

    That bottom of that loop is dry.

    The tissue paper that I placed underside did not register any dripping dents either

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  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55
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    This is the shower stall.

    But the leak source seems to be closer to the back wall than to the shower valve

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  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,574
    edited February 16

    roof leaks can make it to the basement. i'm not saying that is what it is but it certainly is possible, especially if there is a pipe in a chase from the roof for it to follow.

    Intplm.
  • MikeL_2
    MikeL_2 Member Posts: 543

    I suggest stop using the shower for a week.

    I also recommend putting some dye in the toilet tank before every flush.

    Larry WeingartenIntplm.pumpcontrolguySuperTech
  • pumpcontrolguy
    pumpcontrolguy Member Posts: 27

    Is the shower in regular use or just idle? If it's in use, avoid using it for a while like @MikeL_2 suggests and see if the water dries up

    It would also be worth popping the shower handle escutcheon off and seeing if you can see any visible leaks from the shower handle body

    Grallert
  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55

    It is vacant for months. Shower and toilet both are in idle. Water is shut off at the meter.

    The shower water supply and valve is not particularly close to the water stain. This has left me confused.

  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 3,168

    is the stack vent in that wet wall? roof leak coming down the outside of the vent?

    known to beat dead horses
  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55

    The vent area in the roof is still in good condition

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  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,998

    If nothing else is found as mentioned. The next thing is to look in the wall.

    @pumpcontrolguy makes a very good suggestion. Removing the escutcheon from the shower valve and looking and listening inside the wall is a great idea.

    The water could be tracking down from the vent stack or the buildings framing regardless as to how well it may look.

    Since the bathroom is not being used as you mention, water can be tracking from a leak other than the fixture where the leak appears. Keep note of when it rains. I had a similar leak that came from outside and was delayed in showing itself. Use a garden hose and spray the suspected area(s) and take note of what happens and or how long the leak reappears.

    The leak could also be coming from another bathroom or plumbing fixture and track from there.

    I also had a leak occur like this from an over extended drier vent. Water pooled and leaked from the vent pipe. Keep track of when you use the clothes drier.

    Good luck. Patients will win the race.

    Larry Weingarten
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,574

    leaks with flat roofs can really travel. we had a room with a leak in the middle of the room that turned out to be from the stone coping at the edge of the roof failing.

    Intplm.
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,998

    Flat roofs are like swimming pools. The membrane can get damaged and cause all sorts of leaks.

    One guy years ago and new to the trade, said he drilled a hole in a flat roof from below and instantly regretted it. Draining the roof into the building was not his intention. Yikes!!

  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55

    If water seeps through the vent hole along the stack, it usually leaves water stain on the ceiling or walls on the top wall. Currently there are no water stains on the top floor

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,327

    I had a leak that was running down the vent pipe to the first floor, across a joist and leaking out of a door crack. Later on, it moved and leaked out of a baseboard, no traces up higher at all.

    After fixing it, it re-appeared 10 years later leaking across the 2nd floor ceiling in a totally new location.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55
    edited March 10

    Got stuck at this step when I disassemble the shower handle

    The shower handle assembly is supposed to slide off at this step, then the trim sleeve can be removed to reveal the cartridge. But the handle does not slide off. Is there a puller designed to pull it off?

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,574

    did you remove all the screws or setscrews? a lot of delta products with that style handle have a setscrew in the side somewhere. the cartridge itself is plastic so once all the fasteners are out it should just pull off with some wiggling.

  • azward
    azward Member Posts: 55

    there is not a set screw.

    they have a tutorial video, 2:45 is a similar faucet model to mine

    How to Replace a Delta Tub or Shower Cartridge

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,574

    the one in the video has a setscrew