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New-to-me return fitting.

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JohnNY
JohnNY Member Posts: 3,230
I looked at an interesting system today. They called me for a leak but there's lots of room for other improvements in this not-so-little residential heating museum. Remind me to tell you one day about how much I love eccentric bushings.
I've never seen the return fitting being used on this vapor vacuum system. I haven't taken one apart but I feel like it can't be anything other than a (swing) check valve.






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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,653
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    It could be a water seal type trap too, maybe a little u bend, maybe an inner and outer cylinder making some sort of drum trap. There's only one way to find out...
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,230
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    mattmia2 said:

    There's only one way to find out...

    Yup. I'm gonna have to cut it open and taste it for myself.

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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 23,303
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    Oh please do!
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    mattmia2
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    I think it’s a check, released by a certain amount of condensate static weight within the radiator. We’ll see. 

    Thanks for bringing us a new one, John!
    Retired and loving it.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,527
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    Don't see a pin for a check valve hinge. I would think a ball check?????
    JohnNY
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,627
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    Is there any question that can't be answered on The Wall?
    STEVEusaPASuperTechmattmia2
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    Steamhead sure is that. 
    Retired and loving it.
    Hap_HazzardDan Foley
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Member Posts: 1,160
    edited February 2022
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    ChrisJ said:

    ratio said:

    Is there any question that can't be answered on The Wall?

    I've got a book of questions about women.......
    JUGHNE said:

    ChrisJ, there are only 3 things you ever need to say to women:

    I'm sorry...repeat several times

    Yes, you were right....I should have listened to you...repeat again

    I don't think those pants make you look fat......(just say that one time).

    Haha, i was thinking the same thing but was afraid my wife would catch me writing the post! :D
    Ironman
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Member Posts: 1,160
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    The best marriage is between a deaf husband and a blind wife. 

    Haha, I'm blessed with a tolerant and forgiving wife.
    Ironman
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 511
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    As long as it's a heating museum 🙂  this may be mixed in somewhere ... Just giving you a heads up

    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
    PC7060
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,653
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    what is 20 and 21?
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,838
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    mattmia2 said:

    what is 20 and 21?

    Is 20 a ball that closes against orifice 19?
    Edward F Young. Retired HVAC ContractorSpecialized in Residential Oil Burner and Hydronics
    mattmia2
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2022
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    mattmia2 said:
    what is 20 and 21?
    I'll try to attach it 👍

    Yeah it downloads as 3 pages.. maybe a different format.. just learning my way around here.. give a sec
    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
    EdTheHeaterManmattmia2STEVEusaPA
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2022
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    Idk.... maybe this is all I can do during probationary period
    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,653
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    oh, it is a seal that seal off the water seal so steam doesn't push past it
    reggi
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 511
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    mattmia2 said:
    oh, it is a seal that seal off the water seal so steam doesn't push past it


    One pipe vapor vacuum..... the valve would obviously be mounted on bottom unlikely the system in this thread.  A two pipe system..
    Maybe @Steamhead has seen them in the field..
    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,841
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    reggi said:


    mattmia2 said:

    oh, it is a seal that seal off the water seal so steam doesn't push past it



    One pipe vapor vacuum..... the valve would obviously be mounted on bottom unlikely the system in this thread.  A two pipe system..
    Maybe @Steamhead has seen them in the field..

    Nope- the only "one-pipe vapor" I've seen was the Gorton. It used plug valves too. I think there's some old Gorton literature in the site's Museum section.
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  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,376
    edited February 2022
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    The best marriage advice for men was given by Jack Webb on Dragnet: “Anything you say, can and will be used against you”.

    I say this while looking at my beloved wife of almost 40 years knowing that she never visits this site.
    Bob Boan
    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
    PC7060
  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,703
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    you all saw Erin's thread,
    right?
    known to beat dead horses
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,690
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    neilc said:
    you all saw Erin's thread, right?
    Can you be more specific?
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
    mattmia2
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    😂
    Retired and loving it.
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,061
    edited February 2022
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    Those 3 points are just a teaser printed on the jacket cover to incite you to buy the book.
    Dan's comment might be in the forward to clinch the sale.
    ;)
    PC7060reggi
  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,703
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    ChrisJ said:


    neilc said:

    you all saw Erin's thread,
    right?

    Can you be more specific?

    Uh, No,
    some things just don't get translated correctly over the interwebs sometimes , , ,
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/187260/nefi-women-in-energy-present-harassment-awareness-training-response-webinars#latest

    😂

    I hope you're laughing with me
    known to beat dead horses
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 511
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    Steamhead said:
    Nope- the only "one-pipe vapor" I've seen was the Gorton. It used plug valves too. I think there's some old Gorton literature in the site's Museum section.
    Well I'm going to have to guess that either they had some problems and didn't last long enough to be around nowadays , or they just are out there waiting to be rediscovered 
    "Flow back through the steam supply,such as in a one pipe system... whether of the pressure or VACUUM type"

    now I know that everything patented doesn't make the cut, or gets modified.. but it makes you wonder "What Became OF"
    I saw the Gorton quick open in some photos..one pipe vapor like you saw I'm guessing..it has a little belly on it.. This is only a drawing but it looks really obese..
    Just saying I'll keep my eye out for a actual photo.  @Gordo might have one in the petting zoo
    Didn't mean to get OffTopic .. I'm guessing that @JohnNY there wouldn't be any on the 2 pipe though the vent in the one photo looks pretty old 
    Keep busy. Keep Safe 
    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,703
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    Erin,
    All,
    my comments above were to continue the running joke,
    hey, my wife thinks she's right alot also , , ,

    maybe extending it to the other thread,
    and the serious nature presented there,
    could be misunderstood as diminishing that topic,

    , , , not my intent.
    known to beat dead horses
    Erin Holohan Haskell
  • Hap_Hazzard
    Hap_Hazzard Member Posts: 2,846
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    ChrisJ said:

    I've got a book of questions about women.......

    The answer to every one of them is, "depends on the woman."
    Just another DIYer | King of Prussia, PA
    1983(?) Peerless G-561-W-S | 3" drop header, CG400-1090, VXT-24
    reggi
  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 511
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    I've got a book of questions about women.......
    The answer to every one of them is, "depends on the woman."
    Make sure you write in Pencil and have a big Eraser.......  They're constantly evolving. . .. you must be young...( There have been many books published on the subject of Woman if  you need some tips) The 70's we're a good time... you might look for something from that era might be enlightening. g/l
    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 15,690
    edited February 2022
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    reggi said:



    ChrisJ said:

    I've got a book of questions about women.......

    The answer to every one of them is, "depends on the woman."


    Make sure you write in Pencil and have a big Eraser.......  They're constantly evolving. . .. you must be young...( There have been many books published on the subject of Woman if  you need some tips) The 70's we're a good time... you might look for something from that era might be enlightening. g/l
    It was a joke.........

    Can we get the thread back on track.
    Single pipe quasi-vapor system. Typical operating pressure 0.14 - 0.43 oz. EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Control for Residential Steam boilers. Rectorseal Steamaster water treatment
  • Erin Holohan Haskell
    Erin Holohan Haskell Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 2,286
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    Yes, let's get back on track. Thank you!
    President
    HeatingHelp.com