New-to-me return fitting.

JohnNY

I looked at an interesting system today. They called me for a leak but there's lots of room for other improvements in this not-so-little residential heating museum. Remind me to tell you one day about how much I love eccentric bushings.
I've never seen the return fitting being used on this vapor vacuum system. I haven't taken one apart but I feel like it can't be anything other than a (swing) check valve.

mattmia2

It could be a water seal type trap too, maybe a little u bend, maybe an inner and outer cylinder making some sort of drum trap. There's only one way to find out...

JohnNY

mattmia2 said:

There's only one way to find out...

Yup. I'm gonna have to cut it open and taste it for myself.

Jamie Hall

Oh please do!

DanHolohan

I think it’s a check, released by a certain amount of condensate static weight within the radiator. We’ll see. 

Thanks for bringing us a new one, John!

EBEBRATT-Ed

Don't see a pin for a check valve hinge. I would think a ball check?????

Steamhead

@JohnNY , no need to cut that apart. It's a later version of the Kriebel return fitting. They added the cap to let you get the baffler unstuck without having to disconnect the radiator.

If you noticed, the shutoff valve is labelled "The Vapor Vacuum Heating Co". This was the name of the company that marketed the Kriebel system. You can see the "VVH" logo on one of the return fittings too.

ratio

Is there any question that can't be answered on The Wall?

JohnNY

I thought about texting @Steamhead with this directly but thought it might make an interesting post. I'm glad I did and I knew he'd know. He truly is the best steam guy.

DanHolohan

Steamhead sure is that. 

ChrisJ

ratio said:

Is there any question that can't be answered on The Wall?

I've got a book of questions about women.......

JUGHNE

ChrisJ, there are only 3 things you ever need to say to women:

I'm sorry...repeat several times

Yes, you were right....I should have listened to you...repeat again

I don't think those pants make you look fat......(just say that one time).

PC7060

ChrisJ said:

ratio said:

Is there any question that can't be answered on The Wall?

I've got a book of questions about women.......

JUGHNE said:

ChrisJ, there are only 3 things you ever need to say to women:

I'm sorry...repeat several times

Yes, you were right....I should have listened to you...repeat again

I don't think those pants make you look fat......(just say that one time).

Haha, i was thinking the same thing but was afraid my wife would catch me writing the post!

DanHolohan

The best marriage is between a deaf husband and a blind wife. 

PC7060

DanHolohan said:

The best marriage is between a deaf husband and a blind wife. 

Haha, I'm blessed with a tolerant and forgiving wife.

Erin Holohan Haskell

Nice find, @JohnNY. And well done, @Steamhead.

As for @ChrisJ's questions about women, I think you fellas pretty much covered it.

reggi

As long as it's a heating museum 🙂  this may be mixed in somewhere ... Just giving you a heads up

mattmia2

what is 20 and 21?

EdTheHeaterMan

mattmia2 said:

what is 20 and 21?

Is 20 a ball that closes against orifice 19?

reggi

mattmia2 said:

what is 20 and 21?

I'll try to attach it 👍

Yeah it downloads as 3 pages.. maybe a different format.. just learning my way around here.. give a sec

reggi

Idk.... maybe this is all I can do during probationary period

mattmia2

oh, it is a seal that seal off the water seal so steam doesn't push past it

reggi

mattmia2 said:

oh, it is a seal that seal off the water seal so steam doesn't push past it

One pipe vapor vacuum..... the valve would obviously be mounted on bottom unlikely the system in this thread.  A two pipe system..
Maybe @Steamhead has seen them in the field..

Steamhead

reggi said:

mattmia2 said:

oh, it is a seal that seal off the water seal so steam doesn't push past it

One pipe vapor vacuum..... the valve would obviously be mounted on bottom unlikely the system in this thread.  A two pipe system..
Maybe @Steamhead has seen them in the field..

Nope- the only "one-pipe vapor" I've seen was the Gorton. It used plug valves too. I think there's some old Gorton literature in the site's Museum section.

Ironman

The best marriage advice for men was given by Jack Webb on Dragnet: “Anything you say, can and will be used against you”.

I say this while looking at my beloved wife of almost 40 years knowing that she never visits this site.

neilc

you all saw Erin's thread,
right?

ChrisJ

neilc said:

you all saw Erin's thread, right?

Can you be more specific?

DanHolohan

😂

JUGHNE

Those 3 points are just a teaser printed on the jacket cover to incite you to buy the book.
Dan's comment might be in the forward to clinch the sale.

neilc

ChrisJ said:

neilc said:

you all saw Erin's thread,
right?

Can you be more specific?

Uh, No,
some things just don't get translated correctly over the interwebs sometimes , , ,
https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/187260/nefi-women-in-energy-present-harassment-awareness-training-response-webinars#latest

DanHolohan said:

😂

I hope you're laughing with me

reggi

Steamhead said:

 @Steamhead 

Nope- the only "one-pipe vapor" I've seen was the Gorton. It used plug valves too. I think there's some old Gorton literature in the site's Museum section.

Well I'm going to have to guess that either they had some problems and didn't last long enough to be around nowadays , or they just are out there waiting to be rediscovered 
"Flow back through the steam supply,such as in a one pipe system... whether of the pressure or VACUUM type"

now I know that everything patented doesn't make the cut, or gets modified.. but it makes you wonder "What Became OF"
I saw the Gorton quick open in some photos..one pipe vapor like you saw I'm guessing..it has a little belly on it.. This is only a drawing but it looks really obese..
Just saying I'll keep my eye out for a actual photo.  @Gordo might have one in the petting zoo
Didn't mean to get OffTopic .. I'm guessing that @JohnNY there wouldn't be any on the 2 pipe though the vent in the one photo looks pretty old 
Keep busy. Keep Safe 

Erin Holohan Haskell

I just want to clarify a point and then we should get back on topic because this is a neat piece of heating history.

My perspective on this thread was that we were joking about being married and how the wives are usually right. To which I agreed because, well, I'm a wife who likes to be right. We've built an environment of mutual respect here and I didn't take this conversation as demeaning to women.

@neilc, I appreciate you pointing out the press release about the harassment awareness training webinars and the work I'm doing with Women in Energy. It is an important and timely topic. I also appreciate your willingness to speak up.

As I mentioned, I have encountered harassment throughout my career, both online and in person. But I'm not going to let that sour my time here because I've also seen how willing we are to help one another in this industry, especially here on The Wall. I think our industry can and will do better, and that's what we're working towards. Thanks.

neilc

Erin,
All,
my comments above were to continue the running joke,
hey, my wife thinks she's right alot also , , ,

maybe extending it to the other thread,
and the serious nature presented there,
could be misunderstood as diminishing that topic,

, , , not my intent.

Hap_Hazzard

ChrisJ said:

I've got a book of questions about women.......

The answer to every one of them is, "depends on the woman."

reggi

Hap_Hazzard said:

I've got a book of questions about women.......

The answer to every one of them is, "depends on the woman."

Make sure you write in Pencil and have a big Eraser.......  They're constantly evolving. . .. you must be young...( There have been many books published on the subject of Woman if  you need some tips) The 70's we're a good time... you might look for something from that era might be enlightening. g/l

ChrisJ

reggi said:

Hap_Hazzard said:

ChrisJ said:

I've got a book of questions about women.......

The answer to every one of them is, "depends on the woman."

Make sure you write in Pencil and have a big Eraser.......  They're constantly evolving. . .. you must be young...( There have been many books published on the subject of Woman if  you need some tips) The 70's we're a good time... you might look for something from that era might be enlightening. g/l

It was a joke.........

Can we get the thread back on track.

Erin Holohan Haskell

Yes, let's get back on track. Thank you!