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SNOWMELT
Customer asked if I could look at his snowmelt while I was at house replacing infloor mixing stations, said he did it himself 30 years ago and snow never melted. Took a Loog at driveway, its 6000 square foot of pavers on top of stonedust. Went into basement and he had 7 loops , each with a 007 circulator. I said where are the rest of the loops, he said that's it. Theres 7- 1000 foot loops . I asked if snow ever melted, his answer was no. Also had a Burnham 190,000 btu cast iron boiler as source.

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Re: Do steam experts recommend setting an additive ptrol to .5 (minimum) or closer to 1?
i'm not sure if you're serious or not right now Ed,
I found this,
I found this,
, , , Long story short the main vent is inaccessible without breaking through the floor, so our long term plan is to remove the system , , ,did I piss in your cherios ?
, , , because our main vent is def not working right and isn’t accessible from basement or main level without opening up ceiling or floor due to mistakes the past owner made , , ,

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Re: So Easy To Blame The Boiler
OMG... Same problem with a new gas furnace at a mobil home park. After installing a new Furnace and Roof Jack, the customer called the veery next day with a noise complaint. I arrived to find no noise. The next day... Same thing. This went on for a week. Finally I asked the homeowner to write down what time every morning the noise happened and for how long. A week later I reviewed the log book with the home owner and found that the sound happened about the same time every morning for about 15 minutes. funny thing was that the time changed about a minute or two later each morning.
Remembering my Earth Science Class from High School, I thought about what might change a minute or two from one day top the next. "Sun Rise"
I asked the homeowner: the next time you heat the noise, Go outside and look at the new vent on the roof. Sure enough..... WOODPECKER....
I told the customer that I usually charge $125.00 extra for a clock thermostat, but he can have that new alarm clock for free.
Remembering my Earth Science Class from High School, I thought about what might change a minute or two from one day top the next. "Sun Rise"
I asked the homeowner: the next time you heat the noise, Go outside and look at the new vent on the roof. Sure enough..... WOODPECKER....

I told the customer that I usually charge $125.00 extra for a clock thermostat, but he can have that new alarm clock for free.
Re: Coleman/Evcon Model DGAX070BDTA Blower speed adjustment
it should be in your manual,
you did Read The Fantastic Manual, didn't you?
you did Read The Fantastic Manual, didn't you?

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Re: Golf balls
Golf balls will work if the floor is levelBowling balls will work if the floor has some rough spots.
Golf balls
So todays job was removal of a old lowboy furnace. I free up the ductwork, kick out the 4 bricks, and furnace doesn't fall to the ground. Check ductwork, all free, hmm didn't check under the furnace..... Put my left hand on the furnace to see what's under it, and the furnace moves. It moves very, very well, it turns easily. I found 6 golf balls under the furnace keeping it from falling to the ground.
I have never thought about using golf balls, habit for many, many years was black pipe. Hmm not anymore, I'm going to be keeping golf balls in my truck from now on
. I couldn't believe how easily it rolls you can spin it, turn it, push it, so easily it was actually fun 
The home owner threw the golf balls in my bag, says looks like you will need them before me>>
Thought I'd share a tip to those who may or may not have tried it before.
FORE!
D
I have never thought about using golf balls, habit for many, many years was black pipe. Hmm not anymore, I'm going to be keeping golf balls in my truck from now on


The home owner threw the golf balls in my bag, says looks like you will need them before me>>
Thought I'd share a tip to those who may or may not have tried it before.
FORE!
D

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Re: YOU WANT TO HEAR A GOOD ONE?
Had to put this one out there for everyone to sing along
🎵 They asked me how I knew
The wi-ring was askew 🎵
🎵 I of course replied
when a transformer dies
smoke gets in your eyes. 🎵Get the all new Fast acting Non-patented

Disclamer: I do not really sell that device. You can get the necessary components at your local auto parts store.
🎵 They asked me how I knew
The wi-ring was askew 🎵
🎵 I of course replied
when a transformer dies
smoke gets in your eyes. 🎵
Get the all new Fast acting Non-patented
SMOKE KEEPER

Disclamer: I do not really sell that device. You can get the necessary components at your local auto parts store.
Re: Do steam experts recommend setting an additive ptrol to .5 (minimum) or closer to 1?
That’s the interesting thing, definitely not having any problem getting heat to my 3 radiators, and if anything the pressure I think gets too high and leaks through main vent, which is why I want to lower it. Long story short the main vent is inaccessible without breaking through the floor, so our long term plan is to remove the system and replace with something when this boiler reaches the end of its life (the single pipe system is over 100 years old), because our main vent is def not working right and isn’t accessible from basement or main level without opening up ceiling or floor due to mistakes the past owner made.AdmiralYoda said:You want it as low as you can go. 0.5psi with the differential dial set to one is as low as that will go and is ideal. A Vaporstat will let you go even lower. Sometimes a plumber without expertise in steam will increase the pressure setting to force steam to places quicker.... it is a bandaid, not a solution. Are you experiencing any problems that led the plumber to increase the setting?
So what you are saying reminds me of the advice I got last year, and I think my plumber just has it in his head that between .5 and 2’ is the sweet spot, and he’s misinformed. Last year I set it myself to .5 and the system still heated great and also didn’t leak steam from main vent nearly as often (only very rarely for a minute or two on a cold day and then the pressuretrol would cut it off quick).
So based on this, I am going to take the good advice I saw here last year and lower it gently towards .5.
Just so I can wrap my head around it, besides my issue with the main vent leak, what are the other benefits of keeping it at .5 versus 1?
also big star wars fan here so it’s an honor to get wisdom from you @AdmiralYoda
also big star wars fan here so it’s an honor to get wisdom from you @AdmiralYoda
Re: Need Advice Fixing Broken Flow Meters in Hydronic System
Maybe they are ok. It says GOOD on the wall LOL.
YOU WANT TO HEAR A GOOD ONE?
I have seen so many times that a discussion to resolve a problem is hijacked by persons that like a particular answer that reminds them of another story that is completely off topic. Perhaps this is a good forum to tell those stories but it may be a disservice to the original poster who's problem gets buried in all that good fun.
Maybe we can refer those stories to this discussion to let the OP get back to problem solving.
Here is an example:
Another poster added:
As I recall after a couple of years they came out with a 'Conversion Kit" to change the original Carlin burner back to "yellow flame"
Most of the complaints were of smell and you would find the burner carboned up.
If you were one of the lucky ones you could have the burner cleaned twice a year and it would run OK. They had draft issues.
When the company owner sold the business in the mid 80s my last job for him was to install a new Weil McLain boiler in his house. Since I was starting my own business at the time he had given me a "deal" on a truck and some tools. The pay back was he would buy the new boiler and I had to install it for free.
Unfortunately for me I not only had to remove the blue ray boiler and install the Weil but I had to remove the old original boiler which "his boys from the Hartford office" left their because they couldn't figure out how to remove it when they installed the blue ray. I took it apart and slid the sections through the cellar window.
There was only cellar access through his front door, across white carpeting to the door to the cellar which had a turn in the stairs. We covered the carpeting with tarps and plywood. 3 guys 1 long day and never went back.
A job I would like to forget
Then @Daveinscranton added this really great story
@Daveinscranton Member Posts: 108
2:13PM
My great great grandfather grew up starving in the times of Charles Dickens. Ran a push cart as a child with his father dealing junk off the push cart for a drunkard. They bought the business. He eventually became a “metal broker”. Near as I can tell, that meant salvage yard operator. Became quite wealthy. Spent it on alcohol, fast horses, and many marriages. The rest he wasted.
He bid a job salvaging a big boiler from a factory. Got the bid. Everyone thought that he would lose his shirt on the deal. Dynamite had become available a few months prior to the job. At 6 am on a Sunday morning he blew the wall off the factory. Uneventfully. By 8 am the boiler had been cut loose and was being dragged out by a team of horses. By 9 am the bricklayers were bricking up a new wall. By noon, the boiler had been dragged down the street, and sold to its new owner, who was tickled pink.
I suspect that he was quite good at writing contracts. I also suspect that things could have gone terribly wrong. They didn’t.
The above is clearly off topic. I apologize. Ed’s story, which I found fascinating, reminded me of some family history, long ago and far away.
best wishes
ayetchvacker
mattmia2
EdTheHeaterMan
Maybe we can refer those stories to this discussion to let the OP get back to problem solving.
Here is an example:
Your have a real issue that may be unique to your installation. This reminds me of a story about a BlueRay oil fired furnace. This was a failed experiment where the BlueRay Systems Inc developed a oil burner that burned with a blue flame. It was more efficient than the conventional yellow flame we all know and understand. There were thousands of units sold over the few years they were popular. The maintenance was difficult and if not completed properly the furnace or boiler would soot up rather quickly.
On one of the successful systems the furnace was installed in a basement directly under the living room where the homeowner had a rocking chair that was her normal sitting position for the majority of her time in the home. When ever the burner operated the chair would vibrate with much annoyance to the home owner. No adjustment would resolve the issue. When the factory technical people arrived at the job, it was determined that if the chair was moved to the left or to the right by just 24" the vibration was not detectable. As this was the least costly way to resolve the problem, the factory requested that the chair just be moved.
The customer was old and set in her ways and did not want to move the chair. So after months of consternation and negotiation, the furnace was replaced with a different furnace of the same specification and model number. The problem was resolved. The factory engineer report concluded the a harmonic vibration inside the equipment was in perfect tune with the structural members of the home directly above the furnace and directly below the rocking chair. The rocking chair acted as an amplifier of the vibration. The replacement furnace flame/heat exchanger combination did not have an identical frequency and therefore the vibration was not detectable.
I also experienced something called Tank Hum in a fuel tank connected by a copper tube to a Sundstrand model J pump. The customer complained about the noise after I completed the annual maintenance. It may have has a small wafer called an anti-hum device that fell out of the pump while i was cleaning the pump strainer. The fuel tank acted as an amplifier for the vibration frequency of the 1725 RPM gear set in the fuel pump. I was told by the service manager to take a piece of copper and coil it around a coffee can to create a loop and install that loop at the tank valve with the other end connected to the fuel line to the burner I just removed from the tank valve. ...HUM was gone!
To your point, you have a harmonic hum that is being amplified by something. It could just be that adding a vibration damper somewhere, or a loop of pipe, or bending a fitting, or loosening a screw, or moving a support hanger will interrupt the unusual harmonic vibration that is being amplified to your particular home. I don't think the equipment is at fault... I just think your home is just really tuned in to that heater!
Edit.
Try adding a u shaped trap the the piping near the suspect mixing valve, or try a different pump. Process of elimination. one thing at a time

Another poster added:
As I recall after a couple of years they came out with a 'Conversion Kit" to change the original Carlin burner back to "yellow flame"
Most of the complaints were of smell and you would find the burner carboned up.
If you were one of the lucky ones you could have the burner cleaned twice a year and it would run OK. They had draft issues.
When the company owner sold the business in the mid 80s my last job for him was to install a new Weil McLain boiler in his house. Since I was starting my own business at the time he had given me a "deal" on a truck and some tools. The pay back was he would buy the new boiler and I had to install it for free.
Unfortunately for me I not only had to remove the blue ray boiler and install the Weil but I had to remove the old original boiler which "his boys from the Hartford office" left their because they couldn't figure out how to remove it when they installed the blue ray. I took it apart and slid the sections through the cellar window.
There was only cellar access through his front door, across white carpeting to the door to the cellar which had a turn in the stairs. We covered the carpeting with tarps and plywood. 3 guys 1 long day and never went back.
A job I would like to forget
Then @Daveinscranton added this really great story
@Daveinscranton Member Posts: 108
2:13PM
My great great grandfather grew up starving in the times of Charles Dickens. Ran a push cart as a child with his father dealing junk off the push cart for a drunkard. They bought the business. He eventually became a “metal broker”. Near as I can tell, that meant salvage yard operator. Became quite wealthy. Spent it on alcohol, fast horses, and many marriages. The rest he wasted.
He bid a job salvaging a big boiler from a factory. Got the bid. Everyone thought that he would lose his shirt on the deal. Dynamite had become available a few months prior to the job. At 6 am on a Sunday morning he blew the wall off the factory. Uneventfully. By 8 am the boiler had been cut loose and was being dragged out by a team of horses. By 9 am the bricklayers were bricking up a new wall. By noon, the boiler had been dragged down the street, and sold to its new owner, who was tickled pink.
I suspect that he was quite good at writing contracts. I also suspect that things could have gone terribly wrong. They didn’t.
The above is clearly off topic. I apologize. Ed’s story, which I found fascinating, reminded me of some family history, long ago and far away.
best wishes
ayetchvacker
mattmia2
EdTheHeaterMan