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Re: New Propane Boiler Options
Here are three different rating tables from three different boilers
You can clearly see before there was a Department of Energy in the 1950s boiler rating were dome by the American Gas Association (AGA) and the Institute for Boiler Ratings (I=B=R) and all the boiler manufacturers used these ratings to rate their boilers. The Weil McLain model D boiler that has an I=B=R Gross output of 90,000 was about 80% lower than the Input of the boiler at 112,000
When the 1970s oil boiler was rated they used GPH for the I=B=R input and Gross output was changed from I=B=R to DOE output. That would make that oil burner about 84% efficient since one gallon of fuel oil is equal to about 140,000 BTU of energy. At this point there are no yellow AFUE stickers yet but the Department of Energy has been formed to keep the cost of oil from getting out of hand.
In the current gas boiler you can see that the numbers are still the same but they all are under the direction of the DOE.
- Input
- DOE heating capacity or output, and
- DOE NET
Still the same numbers as in the 1950s but the names have been changed to protect the innocent. So look at the NET number when the boiler says 70,000 it is really going to do a good job all the way up to 56,000 BTU heat loss on a design temperature day. I believe you will be just fine with the GV90+3
Re: New Propane Boiler Options
EK is considered to be top of the line as long as you have a good installer. EKs technical support is among the best.
EK is on the forum and willprobably chime in.
Re: System 2000 - Bad Temp Sensor
Lot of good answers here, I will just try to clear a few things up. A 100 flash on a digital manager with the temperature bars is the error code that means the system manager, which operates based on temperature, is no longer getting a temperature reading so it is actually running in what we call service board mode. In this mode, it will no longer be cold start and will just maintain temperature by running off the high limit, pretty much like any other boiler. The first step is to verify the wiring and connector has good connections to the manager, if that doesn't correct it, replace the sensor. Most likely your system still has a digital sensor (copper bulb), you can't test a digital sensor like you can a thermistor, so basically the manger is your tester, if it reads it, it's normally working fine. Since we are dealer direct, you will need to call your service provider if a replacement is sensor needed.
Feel free to email me at jszwed@energykinetics.com if you have any other questions.
szwedj
Re: New Propane Boiler Options
There are 3 separate BTU numbers on each boiler. Prior to 1968 there were only 2 but when the government got involved with the department of energy they needed to have an equal footing to measure furnaces and boilers for those yellow Energy Guide stickers on each heating appliance to make it easy to compare the different systems. But I digress
Back to the three different BTU numbers.
- Gross Input aka Input aka GPH on oil fired equipment = How much energy goes in
- Output or DOE output is how much energy gets put into the home (maybe). Or better described as what is left over after what is lost out the vent pipe.
- NET output aka I=B=R NET and now known as DOE NET. This is the number that you are supposed to use when you know the actual heat loss of the building. It is actually a 15% lower number that takes into piping and pickup consideration on a water boiler. (it is 30% on steam boilers)
So when you know that you need 46,000 BTU per hour on a design day (that is what we consider the average coldest day of the year for an area) Then you use the NET number which is much smaller that the Input that the boiler usually is sized by.
Re: Who owns who?
did you press the little button with the less than/greater than on it and paste the url in to there?
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/93556/000009355622000015/ex21-subsidiariesofstanley.htm
Re: What's your favorite multi-tool? I mean that folding one you keep with you at all times at work.
wish I could see a picture or at least have a list of what's hanging on out there
Me too getting those odd looks here and there and people getting amazed of the amount of tools easily walking out of my pockets, The old fashioned wide suspenders is adding nice color to everything
But The satisfaction I have when getting a service call done with only tools hanging on me is worth all the money
I think the customers love it, you done already? Didn't have to bring in tools? Oh Wow! I just smile looking down at my pockets HERE IT IS
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Re: Who owns who?
I still like Milwaukee for some things…….maybe because they used to be great. I would call them good now but not great. I also have a lot of Ryobi stuff which is cheap and most scoff at it but I find it holds up pretty well.
As with any tools I have worked with people who could destroy any tool made. I use tools hard but I don't beat the crap out of them and whatever I bought it usually lasted pretty good.
If I had a lot of concrete drilling, wood drilling or sawing I would still prefer a corded tool. Walking around with a bunch of batteries and a charge doesn't appeal to me. I had a small inverter in my truck large enough to charge batteries on the way to a job.
The dog days of summer....
So hot even Tillman needs a cold boiler room floor to stay cool. Too hot even in the shade.....The Williamson boiler to the left serves as a pool heater & I am adding a zone for keeping Koi Pond ice free in winter


