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Re: Flaky Burnham Boiler
if Burnham works only with certain thermostats, please let me know which those are. I would, however, mention that about ten years ago someone submitted another issue of Burnham with a thermostat. Like in my case, the therm asked for a higher temperature, but the boiler did not do it. The discussion centered on the boiler itself, and not at all on the thermostat. https://www.doityourself.com/forum/boilers-home-heating-steam-hot-water-systems/515297-burnham-boiler-thermostat-set-72-f-house-62-a.html
Flaky Burnham Boiler
I bought a Burnham Boiler for a steam system in Brooklyn, NY in 2021. The heating system is flaky and really annoying. When temperature demand was constant at 68 degrees, it functioned fine. However, when I moved to a daily programmable Nest Thermostat, the heating became flaky. Sometimes it did what the thermostat asked. But from time to time, the temperature would not come on into a warm mode in the morning, e.g. go from 65 degrees to 72. I would wake up and find the furnace cold. On other times, it could not maintain 65 (one one occassion it went down to 55). Only power on/off on the furnace or touching the contacts. restarted it. The same flaky behavior occurred when using an Emerson thermostat, the only difference being the programming is M-F and Sa/Su only. This behavior continues to occur. Now I am being told that the thermostat is still the issue. They want me to try a third thermostat. That seems completely ridiculous. How many thermostats do I have to try before it's evident that the furnace has an issue? So... seeking advice on people who have seen Burnham boilers not acting properly in this manner. Is the ignition suspect? Is the wiring faulty? I know some other Burnhams were recalled. I want an HVAC opinion from someone who knows Burnham. I do not, I repeat, do not want to be told to change the thermostat.
Re: Is this ridiculous? Pool heat pump for space heating/cooling
>> I see commercial kitchens using domestic refrigerator / freezers. There not designed for that use. But there cheaper.<<
Wise move in my opinion. I've used domestic furnaces for commercial air handlers. Their burners & heat exchangers are a bonus.
Wise move in my opinion. I've used domestic furnaces for commercial air handlers. Their burners & heat exchangers are a bonus.
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Re: Looking for Advice on Pool Heater Line
My gas utility came out and sized the line and new meter when I added a remote shop on my property. I went with a 2 psi set so they local plumbing inspector also observed a pressure test on my existing house lines.
I no longer have a plumbing license here in Utah, and they do allow HO work if it meets their code. At least in my town.
So it varies from location to location as far as what work they allow a HO to do on their own property.
I no longer have a plumbing license here in Utah, and they do allow HO work if it meets their code. At least in my town.
So it varies from location to location as far as what work they allow a HO to do on their own property.
hot_rod
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Re: Looking for Advice on Pool Heater Line
I am not a licensed plumber but the homeowner of the detached single-family dwelling performing the work under the provisions of N.J.A.C §5:23-2.15(b)(2)(i).Mad Dog_2 said:Are you the Licensed Plumber on file for this install? Mad Dog 🐕
Re: NYC: Does this look like typical asbestos cement in pipes?
@PeteA thank you. I did use to store my mop and broom in the area so that’s why I’m concerned. I’m also a smoker (ironic huh) so I feel like I should take more precautions than the average person
Re: Aquastat with high and low limit? L8148 with high limit only
Maybe I am stupid or forgot something over the last 50 years.This condition is ideal. If it occurs in a building, we need not discuss this further.
If you set the boiler at 190, 200, 220 whatever does that mean the boiler will maintain that temperature.?
No, the thermostat tells the boiler to run when the space temp is low. The burner fires. If there is enough radiation (more than or = to the boiler output) most of the time the call for heat will be satisfied before the limit temp is reached.... correct? In that condition the limit control will seldom ever operate...correct.
However, I have never seen it in 35 years in residential OIL. The boiler is a minimum of 85K input and the radiation PER ZONE is typically a maximum of 30K. One typically does not get the benefit of multiple zones calling unless the building is close to design.
What typically occurs is the boiler coming up to HL and cycling on the differential. If you set a 200 HL, you are correct in that the boiler will have less cycling due to the zone reaching the 'stat setting faster. If you have a proper purge so the boiler can return back to 130F, this setup MAY be reasonably efficient. I have never experimented with it.
With most oil equipment WITHOUT purge, it is grossly inefficient to run the boiler up to 200F and then have the 'stat shut it down on limit. Just set the boiler at 160F and it might cycle a few more times before the 'stat satisfies.
Where this approach fails miserably is when setback is utilized. If the HL is set lower, the boiler will definitely cycle for a much longer period (possibly several hours) due to the inability of the emitters to deliver anything close to the boiler output.
The boiler is typically oversized with a fixed output. The radiation has a variable output depending on SWT but it is rarely equal or greater than the size of the boiler (certain CI systems excepted).
But that is not always the case. If the home is under radiated or the boiler is oversized in comparison to each other the boiler output in btus and the radiation output in btus will try and find a balance with each other. This could happen at 160, 170, 190 or any other temp in an extreme cases.
There is no balance that can be achieved in this case. Whatever SWT is chosen, the boiler must cycle to maintain it, unless, as you noted, the 'stat satisfies during the climb of the boiler to the HL setting.
Generally, the higher the temperature of the boiler, the greater the overall system efficiency losses. However, you make an interesting point. IF you can go to 190F and satisfy the 'stat quickly and return the boiler to 130F in a relatively short period of time, the efficiency losses due to the 190F setting may be largely offset by the short time the boiler remains there.
So if the boiler is oversized in comparison to the radiation output what is the harm in running the boiler to 190 and then purging the heat upstairs?
I do believe that even with this approach, you can gain efficiency when the heatloss is less than half of design by reducing the HL. Why use 190F in April when you can get, effectively, the same result if you use 160F? One additional issue is comfort...........the overshoot on the radiation (especially CI) will be substantial in April if you use the 190F approach.
There are a lot of variables in the decision to reduce HL and these variables change with the season and the choice of setback. You most certainly can cause a loss of efficiency if the HL is set to 175F with a 20F differential, at a 20F overnight ambient, AND the tenant utilizes an aggressive setback because nobody occupies the building at night! The boiler will cycle for six hours in the morning before the 'stat will satisfy!! The boiler is losing energy constantly to the basement for six hours and has 48 stops and starts during that period!
This is one topic where YMMV! No specific approach will ever work for every building.
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Re: Any reason to keep steam with a Hyper Heat Ducted System
How confident are you that the local grid can supply enough power to run all those new heat pumps. The colder it gets, the more electricity they use. Fortunately the Northeast has been proactively adding Nuclear power for the last 40 years (sarcasm alert).
A steam boiler needs very little electricity. Any 12v car battery and inverter could run it for hours to days. Also a small solar array, a basic box store portable generator, or a computer UPS.
Generic makes automated gas standby home generators. Don't have to lift a finger. Seamless power.
The powerpile parts to modify a gas atmospheric steam boiler to run on no electricity are still available. For the advanced prepper - DIYer.
A steam boiler needs very little electricity. Any 12v car battery and inverter could run it for hours to days. Also a small solar array, a basic box store portable generator, or a computer UPS.
Generic makes automated gas standby home generators. Don't have to lift a finger. Seamless power.
The powerpile parts to modify a gas atmospheric steam boiler to run on no electricity are still available. For the advanced prepper - DIYer.
WMno57
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Re: Please Criticize My Boiler Install
This is the proper vertical installation, yes this is for your Neutra-safe unit. It's in the instructions.


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