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Re: Lost wrench for the Lost Art
https://www.wamc.org/new-england-news/2017-10-02/new-public-art-sculpture-installed
The Monkey Wrench Building
Springfield, MA
https://www.thereminder.com/localnews/springfield/monkey-wrench-building-is-undiscovered-gem/
Bemis & Call Tool Factory
Springfield, MA
https://lostnewengland.com/2017/12/bemis-call-tool-factory-springfield-mass/
Moore Drop Forging Company
Springfield, MA
http://alloy-artifacts.org/moore-drop-forging.html
Lotta wrench manufacturing history there.
The Monkey Wrench Building
Springfield, MA
https://www.thereminder.com/localnews/springfield/monkey-wrench-building-is-undiscovered-gem/
Bemis & Call Tool Factory
Springfield, MA
https://lostnewengland.com/2017/12/bemis-call-tool-factory-springfield-mass/
Moore Drop Forging Company
Springfield, MA
http://alloy-artifacts.org/moore-drop-forging.html
Lotta wrench manufacturing history there.
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Re: Reverse Engineer Manual J
@jesmed1 @PC7060You're still over-radiated for a modernized old house. Some numbers for comparison. Our circa 1920 4-unit condo building in Boston was built originally as a 4-apartment house by an elderly man who wanted his adult children to live with him in their own separate apartments. We have EDR=960 and 4800 sq ft. That's an EDR/sq ft ratio of 0.2. Our total design heat loss is 96,000 BTU/hr at zero degrees outside design temp. That's 20 BTU/hr/sq ft.
hmm. that's all interesting. Total EDR is approx 660, 2700 sq feet.
Your EDR/sq ft=660/2700=0.24. Which is even more EDR than we have, in this massively over-radiated house. So if your heat loss was the same as ours (20 BTU/sq ft), you could heat with even lower water temp than we do. Because we have large boilers, way too big for our design heat loss, they run about 45 minutes on, then 3-6 hours off depending on outdoor temperature. Since they're cold start, the water temp starts at 65 end ends up at 130-140 only at the very end of the cycle. So the average water temp during a heating cycle is like 100 degrees. For just 45 minutes out of 3-6 hours.
That's how low your radiator water temperature could be with your EDR/sq ft=0.24. But only if your heat loss is similar to ours, ie 20 BTU/hr/sq ft. Even if your heat loss is double that, say 40 BTU/sq ft, you could still heat with water temps that low, but your boiler would just run twice as long, say 90 minutes every 3-6 hours.
Here's where I think the disconnect is. When I calculated our total radiator EDR and then calculated our total design heat loss for the building, the radiator table I was using said that we'd need 140 degree water temps in our radiators, to give us about 90 BTU/hr/sq ft to heat the building. But in practice, even on a zero-degree design day, the boilers run only half the time, and the average water temp is maybe only 120.
I haven't taken the time to figure out why the predicted water temp using the radiator tables was wrong. Maybe the radiator table I used is wrong, or maybe I miscalculated our EDR. I'm reasonably certain I used the right radiator dimensions and calculated the EDR correctly. But for whatever reason, using that radiator table vastly over-predicted our required water temperature.
So I'm wondering if you have the same over-prediction problem, because by our EDR/sq ft comparison, you have more EDR/sq ft than we do, so you should be able to run similar water temps unless your heat loss/sq ft is massively more than ours.
BTW, this is the radiator table I used which over-predicts our water temp:
https://www.expressradiant.ca/pdfs/product_classic_sizing_how_to.pdf
Your real bottom line is how many BTU's you burn over a heating season, or over one coldest month in the season. Keep track of your oil or gas usage, then calculate your actual design heating load using this method:
https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/replacing-a-furnace-or-boiler
That method is very accurate. Then once you know your actual heat loss number and your radiator EDR, you can estimate your required water temperature. But as I said, the radiator table above seems to over-predict our water temperature at 140, where in reality we're averaging well under 120.
Also, I recommend this article by Ron Beck. Read the section headed "Cast iron radiation," where he says that, contrary to popular belief, cast iron radiators are low-temperature systems in modernized old houses:
https://www.usboiler.net/outdoor-reset-doesnt-work.html
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Re: Burnham Independent Near-Boiler Piping - Seeking Advice
Your main starts here (line I added in red, not the circle)

And it ends here (red)

You do not measure any of the pipes running up to radiators, just the large diameter pipe that runs around the basement.
I'd say you need a lot more main venting. That vent you have is fine if your main was less than 10', but I doubt your main is that short.
I'd still be curious how well the boiler was sized. We can guide you if you wanted to do the measurements, it's really not hard.

And it ends here (red)

You do not measure any of the pipes running up to radiators, just the large diameter pipe that runs around the basement.
I'd say you need a lot more main venting. That vent you have is fine if your main was less than 10', but I doubt your main is that short.
I'd still be curious how well the boiler was sized. We can guide you if you wanted to do the measurements, it's really not hard.
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Re: Burnham Independent Near-Boiler Piping - Seeking Advice
@Mad Dog_2 , @Steamhead : My best estimate is that 99 feet of main piping.
Keep me honest here, please: I measured the insulated main piping you can see in my photos and the additional piping (some of which is not insulated) that leads to each radiator.
The pipe sizes vary, having a hard time getting an estimate because of the insulation. Is there a specific location(s) where it'd be most helpful to know the pipe size? If so, I can remove the insulation. Just don't want to start tearing it down on a whim.
Edit: See below after KC_Jone's post.
Keep me honest here, please: I measured the insulated main piping you can see in my photos and the additional piping (some of which is not insulated) that leads to each radiator.
The pipe sizes vary, having a hard time getting an estimate because of the insulation. Is there a specific location(s) where it'd be most helpful to know the pipe size? If so, I can remove the insulation. Just don't want to start tearing it down on a whim.
Edit: See below after KC_Jone's post.
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Re: Derating and/or 2-Stage Steam Boiler for Mouat
I did the math, and it turns out to be 30% oversized.
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Derating and/or 2-Stage Steam Boiler for Mouat
I have a job where someone installed a Utica JE 600S based on a radiation survey. Trouble is, it's a Mouat system, so the actual load is 80% of the boiler rating. So I have two problems: The boiler is too big for the load by at least 20%, and it really needs a 2-stage gas train to make controllable operation possible. I had another big boiler where the manufacturer blessed a 2-stage gas train, and I was able to use it with a Mouat with a stable 2 oz steam pressure indefinitely. Since it's a two module boiler, perhaps only firing one set of burners would do the trick, but I think the factory didn't like that idea because of potential thermal problems, with only heating half the iron. Thoughts?
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Re: Mod con vs cast iron for my specific home
Hybrid boiler arrangements is not a bad idea. We see it in commercial applications.
One mod con, one cast boiler. A staging control, or a basic electronic aquastat can switch between them.
So you get redundancy, assumed relatability of the cast, efficiency and turn down of the mod con.
I suspect 85% of the season you will run on the mod con based on you radiator assumptions.
One mod con, one cast boiler. A staging control, or a basic electronic aquastat can switch between them.
So you get redundancy, assumed relatability of the cast, efficiency and turn down of the mod con.
I suspect 85% of the season you will run on the mod con based on you radiator assumptions.
hot_rod
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Re: Another poor roughing in a Public Restroom
You know how we get a lot of people on here who complain how hard it is to find a good plumber/hvac company? Well a good inspector needs to be good at their trade, among other things so that immediately shortens up the list. In addition to that in my region an inspector might make up to 3/4 what they could make out in the field, I've been told 1/2 but I have a hard time with that being true across the board.Its getting worse. What caliber of Plumbing Inspector would pass this?? Mad 🐕 DogWhy do you feel this is Mad?
And what do you think was the reason that toilet ended up so far from the wall?
I am in a region that has a low population and quite a bit of money (vacation destination lots of rich seasonal folks) Our building department actually follows the code, and you wouldn't believe how angry people get about that (on occasion myself included, though I am embarrassed to admit it) It is a difficult job to do correctly, and almost always comes with anger from the people you are meant to work with, and almost never a "Thank you"
In the more populated city areas south of me I have seen that they may hire people with no credentials whatsoever to do inspections , those ones almost always pass. My uncle (from that area) built "the last house I'll ever build" a few years ago and spent a few months studying what code changes happened since he was last in the field. He would labor to make a small change to make sure he was code compliant if he noticed he messed something up. He told me every time he called for inspection the guy would pull up to the house, sit in the car a few minutes and then leave, never asked to see anything.
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Re: Very Cool 😎 Urinals at a Brewery
Hello @hot_rod,
I'm not saying the product complies with any of the needed codes or listings for that application. Just saying what they stated and they are out there for sale. So the ones that @Mad Dog_2 found may not be Home Brew...
I'm not saying the product complies with any of the needed codes or listings for that application. Just saying what they stated and they are out there for sale. So the ones that @Mad Dog_2 found may not be Home Brew...
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