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These LGB's suffered
Take a gander at these images.
If I am correct, they were loaded with chemicals, over filled and cooked and then dry fired.
The gaskets were melted between the sections in most cases and the ignition controls were melted off and hanging
Anyone seen this before?



























If I am correct, they were loaded with chemicals, over filled and cooked and then dry fired.
The gaskets were melted between the sections in most cases and the ignition controls were melted off and hanging
Anyone seen this before?



























Tom51
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Re: Expectations for boiler cycle length and temp rise
As a comparison I have a older home single pipe and for a 2 degree temp rise from a cold start ,after the system has steam to the main vents it usually takes about 45 minutes to 1 hour for the stat to be satisfied . I think there a lot of widget room in there especially w a counter flow system being there’s only so fast you can vent everything through the radiator . If all else is kosher I would look to possible increase the radiator vents from 4,5,&6 to 6 ,c and d . I find in older system the owner best bet is limit set backs to only 2 or 3 degrees ,there seems to always be issue w either slow recovery ,start up cycling on low water due to heating mains until piping is hot enough to prevent excessive formation of condensate . On slow reacting system if I have personally pulled the boilers return plugs and washed out the boiler of it mud and debris and upon re firing found the system slow response had a lot to due w mud build up in the boiler directly effecting the boiler abililty to produce dry steam and to transfer all the burner heat to produce that steam . I ve done this on quite a few boilers who,s Performance was poor but piping and everything looked better then most just going on a hunch I drained the boiler from a 1 inch ball valve directly on my boiler spare return tapping ( 21/2 x1 1/4 reducing ell) seeing the real condition of the water ,drained wanded from bottom and top filled and a fast skim ,afterwards the mains went from 45 minutes to about 5 minutes all due to poor water quality . As clean as a sight glass is it truely isn’t the indicator of the internal cleanliness of the boiler . Often discounted is the internal cleanness of the boiler .
I find out of all the types of steam system out there that counter flows are often the toughest being you truely need dry steam for any type of decent performance . I ve found that an over head feed off a drop header w the header take off being tied into an upward facing tee piped into the run and the Start of the fitting continues and drops into your wet return . I ve usually always used a vapor stat instead of a pressuertroll . If the boilers is short cycling I would probably recheck the edr and if oversized possible add a 2 stage gas valve to get a longer cycle and less on and off cycling . I never discount a dirty boiler ,you never know until you pull the boiler plugs it seems to be the thing nobody does but if installed without provision to due so ya might as well wait till it kicks the bucket .
Peace and good luck clammy
I find out of all the types of steam system out there that counter flows are often the toughest being you truely need dry steam for any type of decent performance . I ve found that an over head feed off a drop header w the header take off being tied into an upward facing tee piped into the run and the Start of the fitting continues and drops into your wet return . I ve usually always used a vapor stat instead of a pressuertroll . If the boilers is short cycling I would probably recheck the edr and if oversized possible add a 2 stage gas valve to get a longer cycle and less on and off cycling . I never discount a dirty boiler ,you never know until you pull the boiler plugs it seems to be the thing nobody does but if installed without provision to due so ya might as well wait till it kicks the bucket .
Peace and good luck clammy
clammy
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Re: Identify what this is?
@cunninghamzach , that's a Kriebel System main air vent. It works by differential expansion. See chapter 15 of @DanHolohan 's "The Lost Art of Steam Heating" for details.
Re: is it possible to use plate heat exchanger for domestic hot water
Yes, any boiler can be a combi by adding an external plate HX. You want at least 120,000 btu boiler to get 2 gpm or so continuously, boiler on priority
Sika and Harwill make the low flow, flow switches to turn on the boiler, pump and or zone valve.
Most combis have a fairly small HX a 5x10 eight or ten plate.
Sika and Harwill make the low flow, flow switches to turn on the boiler, pump and or zone valve.
Most combis have a fairly small HX a 5x10 eight or ten plate.
hot_rod
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Re: Dan Holohan Retires After 36 Years of Writing Magazine Columns
I remember that day well - 3 very well respected men in that pic - Steve Weinberger - fantastic person and great business man - Tommy McLane - RJ Walker heating guru - and u know about the guy on the end.reggi said:From the Sunday_Dispatch_Sun__Jun_30__1991
Pittston Pa
"Interesting , educationial and successful..
Steam without Tears " 2 Day Steam Heat Seminar with...... ( the guy at the end )
Re: Dear Reader
If I can picture Frame it this way:
Dan Holohan like my life heroes, Beacons of Of Light through the Fog of Life, my life coaches as it were, Vince Lombardi, **** Butkus, Generals Mac Arthur & Patton, My Father Bart III (RIP) and Older Brother Bart IV, my Mom Colleen (RIP), President Teddy Roosevelt sent a Lighting bolt ⚡ 🌩 down my spine...They dared..They dreamed, they engaged fully...they shook people awake with their 110 % Level of enthusiasm and erudition of their given focus...Men and women like these have an energy & vibe that is hard to come by and "capture in a bottle." The just hit that chord in your soul that makes you want to March behind them and Conquer your corner of The World.
As my grandfather Norbert W Kearns told his 3 young children that he had taken out of school 🏫 for the day in 1951 to bear witness to History: As 5 Star General of the Army Douglas Mac Arthur drove slowly by in an open car on the yet-to-be open Van Wyk expressway in Jamaica Queens a mere 10 feet away: "TAKE A GOOD LOOK KIDS...YOU'LL NEVER SEE HIS LIKE, AGAIN...." Thanks Dan for being one of the lightening bolts of my life! Faithfully, Yours, Mad Dog 🐕
Dan Holohan like my life heroes, Beacons of Of Light through the Fog of Life, my life coaches as it were, Vince Lombardi, **** Butkus, Generals Mac Arthur & Patton, My Father Bart III (RIP) and Older Brother Bart IV, my Mom Colleen (RIP), President Teddy Roosevelt sent a Lighting bolt ⚡ 🌩 down my spine...They dared..They dreamed, they engaged fully...they shook people awake with their 110 % Level of enthusiasm and erudition of their given focus...Men and women like these have an energy & vibe that is hard to come by and "capture in a bottle." The just hit that chord in your soul that makes you want to March behind them and Conquer your corner of The World.
As my grandfather Norbert W Kearns told his 3 young children that he had taken out of school 🏫 for the day in 1951 to bear witness to History: As 5 Star General of the Army Douglas Mac Arthur drove slowly by in an open car on the yet-to-be open Van Wyk expressway in Jamaica Queens a mere 10 feet away: "TAKE A GOOD LOOK KIDS...YOU'LL NEVER SEE HIS LIKE, AGAIN...." Thanks Dan for being one of the lightening bolts of my life! Faithfully, Yours, Mad Dog 🐕
Re: Dear Reader
Dan, Your professional life is something to be admired. I am an electrical engineer, who bought an 1860's house in Pennsylvania. It came with a modern oil fired steam boiler,1 pipe radiators, and sketchy heating performance overall.
HeatingHelp.com gave me the information, and confidence, to "tweak" that system and:make great improvements in comfort for the next ten years,m until we decided to build an addition, replacing the entire system with hot water (panel rads and Warm board sub floors). I'd sum up you, Mr Holohan, and the great number of helpful "Wallies," in one word: Generous. This website is a gem of a resource, due to the generosity of its members, and its founder. THANK YOU! Enjoy your retirement.
Please know that Cathie (my wife) and I are very moved by your love for your "Lovely Marianne". Your tag line "hug your kids" always brought a smile to me.......
HeatingHelp.com gave me the information, and confidence, to "tweak" that system and:make great improvements in comfort for the next ten years,m until we decided to build an addition, replacing the entire system with hot water (panel rads and Warm board sub floors). I'd sum up you, Mr Holohan, and the great number of helpful "Wallies," in one word: Generous. This website is a gem of a resource, due to the generosity of its members, and its founder. THANK YOU! Enjoy your retirement.
Please know that Cathie (my wife) and I are very moved by your love for your "Lovely Marianne". Your tag line "hug your kids" always brought a smile to me.......
Re: Dear Reader
The most lovely and fitting tribute.
It's been an educational and fun road, Dan. I would say a long one, but in reality it has been too short. Thank you for the education, the introduction of friends that last, and knowledge that lives.
The Lovely Marianne lives on in you, your daughters and their families, you know this and forever. Her voice, that soft New Yorker accent, handing over treasured purchases at your shows, still echoes here.
A life well-lived, well-examined, and not over by a long-shot.
Dan, I wish you peace and comfort, a gentle and engaging retirement, and a clear view of your birdfeeder, in the best of health and contentment always.
It's been an educational and fun road, Dan. I would say a long one, but in reality it has been too short. Thank you for the education, the introduction of friends that last, and knowledge that lives.
The Lovely Marianne lives on in you, your daughters and their families, you know this and forever. Her voice, that soft New Yorker accent, handing over treasured purchases at your shows, still echoes here.
A life well-lived, well-examined, and not over by a long-shot.
Dan, I wish you peace and comfort, a gentle and engaging retirement, and a clear view of your birdfeeder, in the best of health and contentment always.
Re: Dear Reader
This must be one of the finest and most poignant farewell letters I've ever read; your years of dedication to excellence in our trade has made the world a better place. The knowledge and insights, underscored by your matchless humor, which you have shared so freely has personally "made my day" on too many occasions to list. Your loving tribute to your spouse and partner is a reminder that even in our troubled current world, love conquers all. The competent, courteous, and hard work of your daughter, Erin, on this forum is an ongoing tribute to you both as parents. May you enjoy lots of time ahead with which to enjoy the fruits of your lifelong dedication to excellence, and may you enjoy it in good health!





