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Re: roth vs granby
Ron
If you keep all piping under the tank, do you put the filter there as well? I was wondering about ease of servicing. What type of filters do you put on? I recently got rid of my fulflo (which in my opinion is 2nd rate) and installed a garber spin on. Quick and easy!
If you keep all piping under the tank, do you put the filter there as well? I was wondering about ease of servicing. What type of filters do you put on? I recently got rid of my fulflo (which in my opinion is 2nd rate) and installed a garber spin on. Quick and easy!
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Old (rare?) flat steel radiators?
Hey gurus! Any information on these would be appreciated! Hoping for age, manufacturer, EDR. I’ve never seen these before. Found for sale on fb.





Re: Possible oddball heat pump use
You will actually want to get a Refrigerant to Water heat exchanger. Don't try to re-invent the wheel
https://aquasystemsinc.com/
https://midstatesrefrigsupply.com/brazed-plate-heat-exchanger/
https://www.supplyhouse.com/Kelvion-GBS400H-08-8-Plate-3-4-Thread-20-GPM-Heat-Exchanger-5-x-12 this one might be small enough for your needs
https://aquasystemsinc.com/
https://midstatesrefrigsupply.com/brazed-plate-heat-exchanger/
https://www.supplyhouse.com/Kelvion-GBS400H-08-8-Plate-3-4-Thread-20-GPM-Heat-Exchanger-5-x-12 this one might be small enough for your needs
Re: Plumbing archaeology
Periodic table element "Pb" is the metal lead. "Plumbum" in Latin.The man knows his Latin! Yes, the lead pipes could have been from ancient Rome. The shutoff valves on the supplies are bronze.
Romans were using the same stuff they used in Boston.
It sure has been a long time between Roman plumbing and John Winthrop's "shining city on the hill"--Boston.
How long have we had copper? Pex?
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Re: "I'm not actually and HVAC Tech, but I know how it works..."
Sounds like it could've been a good life experience if it wasn't interrupted. How do you learn to appreciate heat if you've never frozen your b***s off?
I probably would've waited a day. Let it play out a little before I started ranting. The installers were likely coming anyway. The maintenance crew isn't touching it.
And I think "they did some programming" was actually a quick refrigerant shot because it's leaking. It's not fixed. They just greased the squeaky wheel.
I probably would've waited a day. Let it play out a little before I started ranting. The installers were likely coming anyway. The maintenance crew isn't touching it.
And I think "they did some programming" was actually a quick refrigerant shot because it's leaking. It's not fixed. They just greased the squeaky wheel.
HVACNUT
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Re: Homeowners Versus Contractors
I had a tire kicker 20 years ago on a Boiler install. Tirekicker: "What size boiler you givin' me?" Me : "I guarantee to install the correct size boiler for you home. I will take all the proper measurements and do the math." Tirekicker: "OK, I need you to come do that!" Me: "No problem, my design fee is X. You can pay me for that or give me a 50% deposit." Tirekicker: " Thats bull...I never heard of this...I ain't paying you for an estimate!" Me...'Good luck!"
Fast foward, next heating season. They paid me for a consultation to diagnose underheated home. Boiler was two sizes too small! Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅 The "reputable" local company in business since the 1940s, were not returning calls. Mad Dog 🐕
Fast foward, next heating season. They paid me for a consultation to diagnose underheated home. Boiler was two sizes too small! Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅 The "reputable" local company in business since the 1940s, were not returning calls. Mad Dog 🐕
Re: Can cold natural gas cause poor combustion? How is this compensated for?
You need to run combustion analysis multiple times over a 20-30 min. period while monitoring the manifold gas pressure with all the rest of the house appliances off then repeat with everything under full load. Also, measure the surface temp of your burners from cold start to yellow-tipping. Classic yellow tipping is caused by low primary aeration with low manifold pressure.
Understand that as a burner heats up, the port loading changes. Also, the gas being discharged out the orifice into the burner mixer tube entrains primary air. At higher rates, more air gets drawn in. Also, denser gases, such as LP vs. NG draw in more air. If the air feed is subject to heating, yes, it can draw in less MakeUp Air as it warms. This is how a gas direct vent fireplace starts off with a clean, short, fake blue flame then stretches into a natural lazy yellow flame as the coaxial vent warms. If the air intake warms, it can reverse draft along its conduit surface against the flow of air thus reducing MUA.
Understand that as a burner heats up, the port loading changes. Also, the gas being discharged out the orifice into the burner mixer tube entrains primary air. At higher rates, more air gets drawn in. Also, denser gases, such as LP vs. NG draw in more air. If the air feed is subject to heating, yes, it can draw in less MakeUp Air as it warms. This is how a gas direct vent fireplace starts off with a clean, short, fake blue flame then stretches into a natural lazy yellow flame as the coaxial vent warms. If the air intake warms, it can reverse draft along its conduit surface against the flow of air thus reducing MUA.
Re: Homeowners Versus Contractors
@RollCNY
Professionally, I scope, bid, and manage facility improvements for a Fortune 500 Company. Currently, I’m working on a large (200+ton) chiller replacement, one of seven in the building. By hiring an engineer for the chiller project we saved a lot of money. The engineer determined that our building’s pipes only had so much capacity, and a larger chiller would not get us more capacity. This stinks as we are short on capacity and replacing the pipes would be a significant challenge.
For home improvements, good luck hiring an engineer. A mechanic replacing a boiler can do the sizing, but this tends to be by table-based rules of thumb (EDR) with a larger than needed safety factor built in - you can read a whole bunch of posts here about EDR still over sizing boilers.
But, the contractor who tells you need an engineer and charges appropriately isn’t getting the job. Thus there’s no market for engineers and only a tiny one for even architects in the home improvement world.
My gripe is that I don’t get taken seriously by contractors despite specifying this stuff for a living. I’ve come to learn my limitations as an engineer and not a mechanic and hire when it requires troubleshooting I can’t do, is beyond my skill, or I’m not in position to deal with consequences of failure - I hired a contractor this fall specifically to break open a valve nut after I gave it a lot stress to the point I was worried about breaking it. I wouldn’t have been able to repair the pipe if I broke it, but they would.
I would assume doing an accurate heat loss takes getting familiar with a buildings dimensions and build spec, and then calculating, so a contractor would be doing several hours free work to get the quote accurate.That’s the problem with home renovations, we generally only hire mechanics, not engineers. I might get blowback on this one, but in a perfect world an engineer is sizing and specifying the boiler, not a mechanic. The two jobs very much work in hand-in-hand but have different roles.
Professionally, I scope, bid, and manage facility improvements for a Fortune 500 Company. Currently, I’m working on a large (200+ton) chiller replacement, one of seven in the building. By hiring an engineer for the chiller project we saved a lot of money. The engineer determined that our building’s pipes only had so much capacity, and a larger chiller would not get us more capacity. This stinks as we are short on capacity and replacing the pipes would be a significant challenge.
For home improvements, good luck hiring an engineer. A mechanic replacing a boiler can do the sizing, but this tends to be by table-based rules of thumb (EDR) with a larger than needed safety factor built in - you can read a whole bunch of posts here about EDR still over sizing boilers.
But, the contractor who tells you need an engineer and charges appropriately isn’t getting the job. Thus there’s no market for engineers and only a tiny one for even architects in the home improvement world.
My gripe is that I don’t get taken seriously by contractors despite specifying this stuff for a living. I’ve come to learn my limitations as an engineer and not a mechanic and hire when it requires troubleshooting I can’t do, is beyond my skill, or I’m not in position to deal with consequences of failure - I hired a contractor this fall specifically to break open a valve nut after I gave it a lot stress to the point I was worried about breaking it. I wouldn’t have been able to repair the pipe if I broke it, but they would.
KarlW
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Re: Homeowners Versus Contractors
It’s not realistic for a small shop to offer free bud, especially detailed ones with heat loss and design included. It is hard to even justify driving to a potential customers location without at least covering the mileage cost. A few days worth of free quotes hits the bottom line quickly when you need 1800 billable hours a year to crack the nut.
Call it an energy audit instead of a bid so the customer sees the value.
Most all professions charge for estimates, even when you take the problem to their location. Doctors and attorneys are examples and we the tradespeople are as or more important to mankind.
Sizing replacements for hydronics has become much easier when you embrace options that can modulate from 150,000 down to 15,000 BTU/ hr, efficiently
Call it an energy audit instead of a bid so the customer sees the value.
Most all professions charge for estimates, even when you take the problem to their location. Doctors and attorneys are examples and we the tradespeople are as or more important to mankind.
Sizing replacements for hydronics has become much easier when you embrace options that can modulate from 150,000 down to 15,000 BTU/ hr, efficiently
hot_rod
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Re: Homeowners Versus Contractors
@SlamDunk cool cool, hats off for keeping the good fight going. Maybe someday you can bow out and grab a nice place in lesser costly area of the country. Or, say put-- you wouldn't be the first (to be carried out), I'm sure.
GW
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