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Augusta Stone Church
This post is a continuation from an earlier post this year:
I was contacted by Scott (@karsthuntr) about evaluating the steam system in this church. It’s the oldest Presbyterian church in Virginia, founded in 1740.
The steam system was installed during a renovation in 1920. The current Burnham was installed about 8 years ago and it was a chop and drop by another contractor. It’s probably the third boiler since the system was added, the original being coal.
There are numerous issues and mistakes that have been made over the years. It’s a simple one pipe system.
Issue # 1. The boiler is severely oversized. The rating is for 2021 square feet, but the connected radiation is 882 square feet. Compounding that is the fact that it was split into two zones with the smaller one having less than 200 square feet. Some radiators have been removed and two large indirect rads have been disabled.
It appears that the system was split into two zones when the boiler that was previous to the this one was done. It was an attempt to heat the smaller office areas without heating the large auditorium. Again, less than 200 square feet of radiation.
Issue #2. The near boiler piping is wrong.
As can be seen, the equalizer is tapped out of the middle of the header and only one riser (3”) is utilized coming from the boiler. The header is also trapping water at a low spot on the left due to the misplaced equalizer.
This last pic shows where the small zone was once tapped into the 6” main where it’s now capped.
Issue #3. The dry return piping.
Notice how the 2” return pipe in the opening has been recently replaced with three 1-1/4” flexible lines.
I’ve never seen anything like this done and I told the church that the lines had to be at the proper height with the proper pitch and no traps or sagging. They tried to straighten them, but I think that I’m gonna recommend doing it over with iron pipe. There’s also another return from the small zone behind the boiler. It’s still iron.
Issue #4. The condensate pump.
The boiler is currently not running because the pump is bad and not putting water back in the boiler. Someone recently replaced the motor, but the pump is bad.
The copper line on the left is the vent and the one one the right is the fill line connected to a VXT controlled by the LWCO. I’ve never seen that done before with a condensate pump.
This pump holds under 10 gallons and I’m questioning whether it’s needed. Please give me some input guys.
If it’s needed to hold excess condensate, it will get set back up as a feed pump. I believe it was added when the previous boiler was done and the system split into two zones.
Issue #5. Traps and venting.
I believe the two return traps were also added when the system was split into two zones and therefore I see no need for them if the system is returned to one zone.
Issue #6. Firing rate
The rating tag calls for a 5.6 gph nozzle, but the burner has 3.0 gph nozzle. That’s within the burner’s range, but I doubt if Burnham would approve.
Professional advice and recommendations are welcome, please.
Ironman
Re: Bad solder daze
I can do 100 joints with Silvabrite solder an Nokrode and have maybe 1 leak. Works for me.
Thats my go to.
Re: Splitting a Church Steam System
Here are some construction pics. The church got a work crew to dismantle the old boiler (after we'd disconnected everything) and pour two new concrete pads. Note the 6-inch header up in the ceiling where all the mains tied in. Whoever installed the Burnham used a concentric reducer on the steam piping, and cut off the drip line, which made for about 1-1/2" of water standing in there- and it was off-pitch to boot. Believe it or not, it didn't bang. We removed the sanctuary half of that header- miraculously, we found a 6x1-1/4" threaded reducing 90 to hook up a drip. We also got rid of a couple other water pockets we found.







Splitting a Church Steam System
The building was built in two sections- first the sanctuary, then the fellowship hall and nursery. Originally the system used indirect radiators, but these were replaced with free-standing radiators as they failed. Our first job here, several years ago, was to upgrade the main vents.
It appeared from the piping that there might have been two boilers originally, but what we found was a Burnham V-907 with the usual leaky welded header. The device in the rear is a heat exchanger for a disused hot-water loop:



The church wanted to switch to gas, so we ran a 2-inch gas line last year and waited and waited for BGE to install a larger gas service and meter.
Well, the Burnham started leaking. When considering a replacement, they said they'd love to be able to separate the two parts of the building to avoid heating the sanctuary when it wasn't needed. Sooooooooo.....................
Re: Burnham v8 no start.
We started about the same time. I got out of 2 years of community college in June 1973 after 2 years in the "Heat & Power" Class. mostly burners and boilers. I got hired by a 52 year old oil company part time for 2 months and then they hired me full time.
No training. Just on the job sweat, blood and tears.
I can remember going to work on burners that I couldn't figure out how to take the gun assembly out.
Or how I had a nozzle line that was compression on both ends, and I had tubing and compression fittings but didn't know you just assembled it and tightened the nut.
Or the Webster "W" pump where you had to turn the cap 180 degrees to change from 1 pipe to 2 pipe.
The company was old and the customers were born in the 1800s and boilers and burners were 1920s. Lots of old soot makers, snow men boilers and old Petro oil burners.
Sucked a lot of soot.
Re: Bad solder daze
I still do some bending with a REMS Curvo. But type L copper is crazy expensive. Too much kinking when you try to bed type M.
Drainback solar on right, lines to heat pump on left.
hot_rod
Re: Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms out there
Mad Dog, good on you for posting this before I got around to it. 😊 Here's to wishing a Happy Mother's Day to all moms from me as well. Erin has the day off "Wall Duty" today so everyone better mind their P's and Q's (as my mother used to say). -Andrew
Re: Mad Dog and Matt Jr educating South Bronx Cardinal Hayes Catholic High School Students on the Trades
I'll be donating some used pipe wrenches, a Tristand and some extra plumbing and heating books 📚 for the lads. Mad Dog
Why your new boiler is failing.
This video, delayed for a few hours due to me trying to get my new computer working, is about common mistakes I see of hydronic boiler replacements.










