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Re: New Boiler Overfilling After Warm Weather
I have seen a steam boiler not fire because of overfill, more than once.
The water pressure would shut the pressuretrol off. Drain down and it fires up.
If your auto fill valve or manual by pass valve is seeping water by, you would overfill.
But that would give you constant overfill, even while heating.

Re: Packing Heat
@Larry Weingarten : "Yup, 80%! If you could get anywhere near that number, any flavor of solar works and is easier to accomplish."
I agree very much with the general sentiment. I'll add that a well-insulated house is just more pleasant: more comfortable, quieter and less dusty. I like to say that an ounce of insulation is worth a pound of hydronics when it comes to comfort.
But I have to disagree with the statement that "any flavor of solar works." There are lots and lots of failed attempts at passive solar and heat storage out there, what Joe Lstiburek calls "mass and glass." Sometimes they work, a lot of times they don't, and when they do work it's mostly because of the conditions at the site, particularly the climate.
Installing one of these systems isn't like putting a deck on a house, where you just have to follow some basic guidelines and it's going to work, and the design involves mostly deciding whether you like deep and narrow better than wide and shallow, or whether a square works best for how you see yourself using it. I'd say it's more like building a hydro-electric generator on your property. Before you even begin, you have to ask, do you have water flow? How much? And how much does it drop? And do you have the right to build on it? Because if you don't have those things, there's no way to make up for the lack.
This is what's behind the questions I asked three posts ago. Without knowing specifics of the energy use in this house, in this climate, it's impossible to do any of the calculations that would tell if some sort of heat storage would make sense at all.
Re: Packing Heat
Fair enough. Have you calculated your current heating loads? Either through modeling or the process outlined in this article?
Do you know your heating and cooling design temperatures, and heating and cooling degree-days?
Have you looked up average monthly insolation for your location?
Without that information you can't even begin to look at a design.
Re: My pressure gauge is between 20 to 25 right at the marker. Is that too high!
Yes, you are referring to the fuel line. Everything you stated MIGHT occur.
Do not confuse the fuel line with the pressure in the boiler. Two completely different issues. Not at all related.
The pressure varies in the boiler depending on the temperature of the boiler. When it heats up to 180°F, the pressure is going to climb. When it cools down to 75°F, the pressure is going to fall. The expansion tank keeps this rise and fall to a reasonable level………..maybe 8 psi up and down unless it has failed and is full of water.
If it stays below 25 psi you have NO ISSUE and do not need ANY SERVICE at the present time.
You can connect the hose to the return of your choice. They both end up in the same place.
If the boiler is at 23 psi………….bring it down to 18 psi just for safety when you are sleeping………………you DO NOT want to suffer the result of it climbing to 30 psi. You only need to remove about one pint of water for this drop in pressure.

Re: My pressure gauge is between 20 to 25 right at the marker. Is that too high!
You're welcome.
Just understand that this is not a permanent fix. When the boiler cools off, the feeder is going to bring it back to 15 psi………..then, when it fires up again and heats the water back to 180………….you might find yourself in the exact same situation with the pressure very close to 30 psi. There is no issue at 28 psi……….you can run it that way forever………….but if it gets to 30, you'll have water spraying all over the boiler and the room when the pressure release valve opens………..and sadly, they never close fully after this occurs…………must be replaced.

Re: My pressure gauge is between 20 to 25 right at the marker. Is that too high!
BTW, the gauge shows the boiler at 23 psi.
This is a non-issue if it stays near that level.

Re: Wirsbo return manifold leak
Oh wow, will do! I didn't see this but actually happened to purchase (EDIT: thanks to hot_rods general suggestions previously) both a galvanized 1-1/4" plug and that exact tape. So I will definitely try this in the morning when I have light.
As an aside, wow is it hard to find a 1-1/4" sized anything that's graded for hot water.
Cheers and thank you again.
Re: My pressure gauge is between 20 to 25 right at the marker. Is that too high!
Firstly, the oil line has absolutely NOTHING to do with the pressure in the boiler.
28 psi is a bit high and it would be beneficial to determine why it is that high.
The best thing to do at the moment is to drain a bit of water from the boiler and lower the pressure to about 18 psi when it is hot. Then, keep an eye on it. You might have an expansion tank that is waterlogged and needs to be replaced. This would cause an large change in pressure each time the boiler heated up.
The vertical pipe on the left side has a faucet with a blue handle. Just connect a hose to it and run some water into a bucket or a drain until the pressure comes down between 18-20 psi………when fully hot (while it is running).

Re: Packing Heat
Hi All, I'm probably about to sound silly, but please bear with me. My experience is the most cost effective things you can do to make any heating/cooling system perform is to have a superior shell, so the loads remain small. It's hard, but possible to reduce the loads by 80% with good design, air sealing and insulation. Yup, 80%! If you could get anywhere near that number, any flavor of solar works and is easier to accomplish.
My climate is predominantly heating, but by reducing South and West facing glass, and thinking about low-E glass appropriate for each orientation, I've minimized the problem of overheating. A reason I like to use water as my thermal mass is it can be moved around, but importantly, I don't want to live inside of a solar collector with its temperature swings. I live in a low-mass house.
I have played with a variation of solar cooling, but never completed it because the house works without. The cooling was to have unglazed solar collectors placed higher than a well-insulated storage tank, and filled with an antifreeze mixture. The tank is placed just above the living space and tied into finned tube baseboard elements. Both fluid flows are driven by convection. Thermostatic control for the finned elements is given by a wax filled piston operator, driving a ball valve. It's the same system I use for controlling a gravity driven heating system that I did build, and it works. During the day, the collectors get sorta hot, but do nothing. On a clear night, they radiate heat and convection moves the resulting coolth into the tank.
I got ridiculed when I started to build my place 25 years ago because I used SIP panels, which people didn't seem to understand, and because I used 8" walls, 10" floors, and 12" roof. They told me I was nuts to be that well insulated. I was building for the life of the structure, not current energy prices. Anyway, it doesn't seem so crazy now, and my energy use per square foot is 10% of normal. Hope some of the above is useful.
Yours, Larry