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Re: Buderus Logamatic 2107 settings
My life used to be hardly worth living until I took that god-forsaken Logamatic 2107 and threw it in the garbage. I replaced it with a Tekmar 260 and suddenly, not only did my client's boiler work without a hiccup, but without the crushing weight of having that indecipherable hieroglyphic controller in my life, my relationship with my family instantly improved. My business became more profitable. My plantar fasciitis went away. My resting heart rate dropped 8 points, and I now fully embrace life each and every day.

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Re: Solder
What about above ground?Steve Minnich said:Staybrite #8 with Nokorode flux. That’s all I used last 20 plus years in the trenches.

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Re: Loud horn noise on Lochinvar Cadet the day after inducer motor replacement
Did the tech check gas pressure and do a combustion analysis after the repair?
Re: Sandblast radiators and...
Sorta glad I hadn’t seen this thread earlier as it may have scared me off from refinishing.
Back in October I finally got sick of looking at layers and layers of old paint flaking off 2 of the larger radiators in my house. Found a local powder coating guy who could blast and coat. He reco’d Prismatic Powders who carry about 9000 color options for the discerning (read “particular”) customer. Only took a couple days to blast, coat, and bake and they came out great. Can actually see a lot more detail than I’d ever noticed before.
Next season I may do the same to the rest of them.




Back in October I finally got sick of looking at layers and layers of old paint flaking off 2 of the larger radiators in my house. Found a local powder coating guy who could blast and coat. He reco’d Prismatic Powders who carry about 9000 color options for the discerning (read “particular”) customer. Only took a couple days to blast, coat, and bake and they came out great. Can actually see a lot more detail than I’d ever noticed before.
Next season I may do the same to the rest of them.





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Re: Outdoor entertainment pad
Not really... except I would go to the trouble of making the thing round, or perhaps octagonal. Octagonal. with 8 foot sides. That would give you almost 20 feet across (19' 2" more or less) and you could use straight forms, and the windscreen could use 8 foot flat panels on the four sides upwind... but that's me. And I think I would arrange the piping not as a conventional grid, but as a spiral -- or actually two spirals, one starting at the edge and going in with the return coming back to the edge, and one coming with the feed in the centre and coming back out between the spirals going in. Taking advantage of the fact that PEX bends!
The question of pipe size isn't actually trivial. You will need around 55,000 BTUh to output 150 BTUh per square foot. If you want to limit that to a 20 degree delta T, that's 5 gpm. 3/4 inch will do that nicely. Inch and a half is going to be rather low velocity, so I'd be inclined to go with the 3/4 inch. Very roughly, i you set the spirals on 6 inch centres, you'd have 6 spirals, averaging 36 feet each on the spiral going in, and 6 spirals on the spiral going out. That works...
But as I've said before, that's just me!
The question of pipe size isn't actually trivial. You will need around 55,000 BTUh to output 150 BTUh per square foot. If you want to limit that to a 20 degree delta T, that's 5 gpm. 3/4 inch will do that nicely. Inch and a half is going to be rather low velocity, so I'd be inclined to go with the 3/4 inch. Very roughly, i you set the spirals on 6 inch centres, you'd have 6 spirals, averaging 36 feet each on the spiral going in, and 6 spirals on the spiral going out. That works...
But as I've said before, that's just me!
Merry Christmas and Very Happy New Year to you all ,
Dear Friends ,
I hope that you all are safe and fine , as always . The last hours of 2020 year is about to make our last memories of this year and get ready to welcome New year 2021 . We have been facing many dilemmas since spreading of the nasty Virus around the globe ,and many good guys have left us due to this brutal disease .May God keep them as His own .
I am sending my prayers and New Year Greetings to you and your precious families and wish you all a very wonderful Holiday season and prosperous New Year ahead .
Happy new Year ,
Stay Safe ,
Roohollah,
I hope that you all are safe and fine , as always . The last hours of 2020 year is about to make our last memories of this year and get ready to welcome New year 2021 . We have been facing many dilemmas since spreading of the nasty Virus around the globe ,and many good guys have left us due to this brutal disease .May God keep them as His own .
I am sending my prayers and New Year Greetings to you and your precious families and wish you all a very wonderful Holiday season and prosperous New Year ahead .
Happy new Year ,
Stay Safe ,
Roohollah,
WHAT IN THE H*ll are you burning!!!!!!!
Well, Happy New Year 2021 is coming and so will less stress ,hopefully. I was sitting here trying to think of a funny story because we do serious everyday. This is a tale from my early years, very early. The year was 1956 and I was the ripe old age of 5 ,almost time to leave home. I have never in my long life met people who could make life worst for themselves better than my parents. We were Irish prattle diggers and that’s where would should have stayed. The old man at that time was working at Sheas brewery as a helper in the electrical shop ,so we had, oh ,zero money. The old man and my mother came up with a guaranteed money maker, we were going to buy a chicken farm and get rich selling eggs. There were only two problems ;we didn’t know the first thing about chickens, and living on a farm means you are going to spend more money than you would in town. Well, the summer went okay , the chickens were pretty unhappy but they’d get used to it. This country back before global warming got cold in the middle of October and stayed cold until the end of April. The fall arrived and guess what ,we didn’t have enough money to fill the coal bunker, not a dime. We had an old gravity hot air furnace and it was fired on coal and well those lousy coal yards wanted money for their coal,wankers. We were in shall we say ,a cold position.The old man took the shovel by the handle and told my mother one of the old chicken huts was going to be our path to preventing chilblains. He tears the hut down and cuts all the lumber into stove lengths. My job, after all I was five, was to pile the crap in the basement, crap will become a major theme in this tale. The old man was loading the furnace three times a day ,wood is a much poorer fuel than coal. Things went well for awhile even though the house was a little on the cold side until we got down to the interior boards of the hut. Chickens,for whatever reason, didn’t use the toilet they just let it go ,so the boards had a coating of ,shall we say, organic goodness. Well it was December and that was a cold year, the temperature was at a steady 25 or lower so we were going through wood. Finally, we hit the juicy boards and the old man fills the furnace at 4 in the morning. Luckily, it was Saturday so my mother didn’t have to weather the storm ,so to speak. The back door was hammered off the hinges about 9 that morning and our neighbor from the other farm was asking the old man if we were using chemical warfare the whole prairie stank for five miles around. It would seem ,chicken manure and the process of combustion was an aroma all of its own. I went outside with the old man and the aggrieved farmer and the smoke from the chimney was a dirty brown colour and it smelled, well, like a burning chicken hut. The old man was always a diplomatic Irish redneck and he told the guy to do something sexually impossible and stomped back into the house. Things were not going well ,the chickens were legs up frozen solid , who knew they couldn’t take 40 below, and the neighbours were getting up a burn an Irishman before Xmas gang. The day was saved, we were down to about three days of “ friendly” boards , the neighbours had the gibbet erected for the old man, when my grandmother lent my parents money for a load of coal. True to form ,my old man burned the boards to the scraps because the neighbours could all go to hell. What a Xmas ,60 legs up chickens, people lining up in the yard yelling for the old mans blood and December 23 a load of coal delivered by my old mans brother, he worked for the coal yard. Thinking back I still laugh, believe or not ,things only got worse, but at my age it was just another adventure. Stay Well and Be Blessed Jack
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Re: Radiators not getting hot. EK System 2000 (gas). Gravity HW conversion (see photos)
Thank you for your posts, everyone - quite a flurry of activity!
For reference, this is an EK2 Frontier with a gas burner (up to 225,000 BTU/hr input).
In addition to the proper expansion tank, primary/secondary should definitely be used to pipe this system properly; this needs to be corrected. I talked to our tech support team and we PM'd @ssa with the correct primary/secondary drawings earlier today, but I didn't have a chance to catch up until now.
I know @EzzyT and @clammy have visited and reviewed @ssa 's installation and I have every confidence that they will propose a proper solution. I'm sure they also reviewed and traced the piping, and being on site goes a long way toward understanding and proposing the correct solution vs stitching together and tracing piping and the system overall in photos (although you did a remarkable job, @ssa !).
Also for reference, we do track every boiler serial number and the respective dealer that purchased it - all 41 years of history. If the dealer or homeowner registered the product, then we also have that information.
We are here to help if any support is needed or desired going forward.
Best,
Roger
For reference, this is an EK2 Frontier with a gas burner (up to 225,000 BTU/hr input).
In addition to the proper expansion tank, primary/secondary should definitely be used to pipe this system properly; this needs to be corrected. I talked to our tech support team and we PM'd @ssa with the correct primary/secondary drawings earlier today, but I didn't have a chance to catch up until now.
I know @EzzyT and @clammy have visited and reviewed @ssa 's installation and I have every confidence that they will propose a proper solution. I'm sure they also reviewed and traced the piping, and being on site goes a long way toward understanding and proposing the correct solution vs stitching together and tracing piping and the system overall in photos (although you did a remarkable job, @ssa !).
Also for reference, we do track every boiler serial number and the respective dealer that purchased it - all 41 years of history. If the dealer or homeowner registered the product, then we also have that information.
We are here to help if any support is needed or desired going forward.
Best,
Roger

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Re: New Boiler install (edit) passed inspection :)
Well, there is your Christmas present, congratulations!
Now you can come back here to concentrate on other people's steam systems.
Does your wife consider herself to be a "Wall Widow" as mine does, as I view/study "Boiler Phorn" ?
Spelling correction..."Boiler Porn".......my kids just informed me I misspelled the critical word.
And to think that I was one of the first...maybe....to use the term here years ago.
I got the idea from a radio ad that kids said mom was saying their farmer dad was on a "Tractor Porn" site looking at equipment all the time. The SD radio station eventually pulled the add because of complaints. Hope that is not the case here on the wall.
Now you can come back here to concentrate on other people's steam systems.
Does your wife consider herself to be a "Wall Widow" as mine does, as I view/study "Boiler Phorn" ?
Spelling correction..."Boiler Porn".......my kids just informed me I misspelled the critical word.
And to think that I was one of the first...maybe....to use the term here years ago.
I got the idea from a radio ad that kids said mom was saying their farmer dad was on a "Tractor Porn" site looking at equipment all the time. The SD radio station eventually pulled the add because of complaints. Hope that is not the case here on the wall.

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Re: New Boiler install (edit) passed inspection :)
I have passed 😅
I had collected a bunch of documents but the one he cared about was this one:

I had collected a bunch of documents but the one he cared about was this one:

I had the page from Burnham’s manual, I had the page from The Lost Art. I had the web page from @New England SteamWorks. I had 10 photos of installs by Dave and EzzyT. He wasn’t interested in any of that.
he took the email and said “I’m going to file this and then, god forbid, if anything happens I’ll be covered.” As if the drop header is dangerous?? I asked him again what his concern about it was but he didn’t respond. I think his real concern was simply that I installed it myself and he wanted to make sure every possible issue was addressed.
As he left he asked me “why did you want to install your own boiler?” I told him this house was my first experience with steam and the more I learned about it the more interesting I found it. He readily agreed and said it’s the best heat and he has steam himself.
he took the email and said “I’m going to file this and then, god forbid, if anything happens I’ll be covered.” As if the drop header is dangerous?? I asked him again what his concern about it was but he didn’t respond. I think his real concern was simply that I installed it myself and he wanted to make sure every possible issue was addressed.
As he left he asked me “why did you want to install your own boiler?” I told him this house was my first experience with steam and the more I learned about it the more interesting I found it. He readily agreed and said it’s the best heat and he has steam himself.
So how does a 30 year industry veteran who is a plumbing inspector who loves steam have such a problem with a drop header? It’s very confusing!!