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Re: Gov't intervention in boiler selection
The people in charge of running the rebate programs are people that worked in the office at the gas or electric companies, oil companies were blocked out.Many states have mandated EE targets, which they enforce through their regulatory authority over public utilities, generally electricity and NG. LPG and oil are rarely (if ever) classified as public utilities (they're not true monopolies) so the states have less leverage over the providers of those.
SWEI
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Re: Gov't intervention in boiler selection
I've noticed a lot of the gas vs oil calculators originate from gas companies and the excel program seems a little skewed.
Wish I could find that old data, last time I got oil I paid $1.60, it blows gas out of the water, checking their conversion excel programs shows they have oil set at $3 or higher, the oil equipment at very low eff and the gas at very high. If I refactor the program properly they come out close to even, hmm.
Fact is if you're going to convert it's going to take 8-20 years to pay you back, THEN you start saving.
With oil you can always get heat with any diesel based fluid, even veggie oil if needed, with gas?
If the unit is due for replacement they'd have to spend the money anyway so if they were on the line it could be justified but to do it just to save money isn't realistic because you aren't going to for years.
Wish I could find that old data, last time I got oil I paid $1.60, it blows gas out of the water, checking their conversion excel programs shows they have oil set at $3 or higher, the oil equipment at very low eff and the gas at very high. If I refactor the program properly they come out close to even, hmm.
Fact is if you're going to convert it's going to take 8-20 years to pay you back, THEN you start saving.
With oil you can always get heat with any diesel based fluid, even veggie oil if needed, with gas?
If the unit is due for replacement they'd have to spend the money anyway so if they were on the line it could be justified but to do it just to save money isn't realistic because you aren't going to for years.
Re: Gov't intervention in boiler selection
You don't need a calculator to figure out the price per therm of oil or gas, Doing so eliminates all "smoke and mirrors". I got sick and tired of being held captive to the whims of some middle eastern sheiks. If you locked in at a fixed price for oil, for the season, you paid higher than everyone else. And, invariably, that would be the season that the price didn't go up. If you rolled the dice and didn't lock in, the price would quadruple by peak heating season. To the sheiks.......Stick your oil where the sun don't shine!
Paul48
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Re: Gov't intervention in boiler selection
EYeah small point but I'm not so sure about that. Modern LED TVs use a fraction of the wattage of a CRT, especially considering screen size—a 24" CRT uses about 120 watts whereas a 24 LED uses 30 or 40.. Plasma screens, which are just about out of production, were/are high wattage but they have long been a small percentage of sets sold.
For instance you can go look at flat screen tv's and get the best rated one............except your old tube tv is more energy efficient, so it's kept in a separate category.
Check the watts.
Re: Gov't intervention in boiler selection
For instance in the 80's the West Haven schools converted to gas, because of the btu loss per gallon they spent an additional 60k per year.You do realize gas has been a round a very, very long time right? My house still has piping from gas lights in it. I wouldn't call it "modern" I'd call it smart
You have to be in the clique to know that, these things don't get told to the public.
Some see it as getting rid of the tanks and leak liability as justification, we had a sign in front of our shop on Rt 1 for 24 hours before the gas co lawyers showed up, it said Go Modern, Go Gas, GO BOOMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJAC5VDgUYk
I do not understand your "btu loss per gallon".
If the fuel is cheaper per btu, it's cheaper. It doesn't matter what amount of energy you get per gallon.
Also,
Both gas, and oil burners need to be set up by a qualified tech using a combustion analyzer. Personally, I don't feel oil is any more or less forgiving than any other fuel.
it's either setup right, or it's not.
Gas explosions are about as rare as properly setup and cleaned oil burners.
If you want to scare people, start talking about electrical fires. Those aren't rare.
ChrisJ
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Re: Gov't intervention in boiler selection
Energy Star ratings have to be taken with a grain of salt.
They lump equipment into categories so it can't discern what would be the best approach for a certain building.
For instance you can go look at flat screen tv's and get the best rated one............except your old tube tv is more energy efficient, so it's kept in a separate category.
Check the watts.
They lump equipment into categories so it can't discern what would be the best approach for a certain building.
For instance you can go look at flat screen tv's and get the best rated one............except your old tube tv is more energy efficient, so it's kept in a separate category.
Check the watts.
Re: Run a C-Wire to #2 on a Taco Valve? Other location?
So I tested at the thermostat because - why not?
The nest's contacts are embedded in plastic so it was hard to fit the voltmeter leads to where I can actually test.
But assuming I did, it looks like it's drawing about 4 volts.
The nest's contacts are embedded in plastic so it was hard to fit the voltmeter leads to where I can actually test.
But assuming I did, it looks like it's drawing about 4 volts.
Re: Labor Shortage?
Bernie reminds me Trotsky, when Leo Trotsky spoke, russian workers were pissing with boiling water. Oh boy, were these words sweet.
About capitalists, banks, business owners, unfairness of life and so on. Nothing new. Just listen to Bernie. Same old song and dance. And all this ended up in total disaster. Tens of millions killed and totalitarian society for 70 years.
About capitalists, banks, business owners, unfairness of life and so on. Nothing new. Just listen to Bernie. Same old song and dance. And all this ended up in total disaster. Tens of millions killed and totalitarian society for 70 years.
gennady
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Re: Chimney scammer? (photo attached)
I've just posted a photo in my initial post above. I don't think replacing the plywood with fireproof material will help since stairs are still wood and still too close to flue (6" minimum clearance from combustible material acc. to NJ Plumbing Code).
mitch101
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Re: Heating for the future.
@ Hatterasguy
That's a factually incorrect statement.
Most utilities have to pay you for the excess power that you generate. Of course, it's a pittance and only represents their actual cost to produce the power but it still confirms that your conclusion is seriously flawed.
Not so fast my friend . You ought to look into what some western states have already done and are doing to the grid tied crowd whom were promised the world . Arizona , Nevada . It will get worse as more don't hear about that and get sucked in .
That's a factually incorrect statement.
Most utilities have to pay you for the excess power that you generate. Of course, it's a pittance and only represents their actual cost to produce the power but it still confirms that your conclusion is seriously flawed.
Not so fast my friend . You ought to look into what some western states have already done and are doing to the grid tied crowd whom were promised the world . Arizona , Nevada . It will get worse as more don't hear about that and get sucked in .
Rich_49
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