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Re: Buying fittings online
@hot_rod said"
"Small shops failed because the larger “chain” wholesalers have better buying power. They can weather bad economies better, and probably better access to credit."
This to me is the problem.
I am not going to name supply houses but the biggest one around that covers. MA, CT. VT, NY,NJ NH and maybe more by now has always have/had the worst service.
They had a small branch in a town in VT where we had a $1,000,000 job going on. We sat down with them and asked them to stock steam traps and CI fitting and we would give them all the business on that job.
Nope. Didn't care. We had all the pipe delivered from 2 hours away. I picked up all the fittings for the following week when I went home for the weekend (stayed in a motel up there for 8 months. Worked 4 10s
"Small shops failed because the larger “chain” wholesalers have better buying power. They can weather bad economies better, and probably better access to credit."
This to me is the problem.
I am not going to name supply houses but the biggest one around that covers. MA, CT. VT, NY,NJ NH and maybe more by now has always have/had the worst service.
They had a small branch in a town in VT where we had a $1,000,000 job going on. We sat down with them and asked them to stock steam traps and CI fitting and we would give them all the business on that job.
Nope. Didn't care. We had all the pipe delivered from 2 hours away. I picked up all the fittings for the following week when I went home for the weekend (stayed in a motel up there for 8 months. Worked 4 10s
Re: Buying fittings online
I started this thread so here's my 2 cents, one local supplier called me back and informed me my order was in. I requested a quote and never placed an order, he commenced a sad story that I put the brakes on and abruptly bid adieu. I was on a roof at the time, but called him back; not to inform him his shoddy salesman bs was unwelcome, which I feel would have been appropriate. I called him back to assure him I didn't want cause a problem and would most assuredly make it clear in the future my intent; even though the the email sent to me clearly stated it was a guote. Big turnover at that supplier don't know anyone. My counter guy at the other supplier patiently went through the take off with me and honestly claimed domestic can't compete with the imported and furthermore local supply can't compete with the online competition. 40 years in the business his assessment means a lot to me. In closing my experience with supply house .com was fine, I'm not looking to restart this, competition keeps us alert, honesty keeps us straight forward and easily understood. Thank you.
geo_1111
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Re: Takes a licking….
@Derheatmeister
Send that pic to Taco....or at least the Rep. I'm sure they would appreciate it.
Send that pic to Taco....or at least the Rep. I'm sure they would appreciate it.
Intplm.
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Re: Takes a licking….
That is pretty inpressive..I wonder if the output was reduced due to the lack of iron on the magnetic field. 
Guessing that it was changed out.
Guessing that it was changed out.
Re: The Great Jablonski & Mad Dog 🐕 Collaboration
Were in to it now...Old Buderus Down, Vitodens Mounted, Vitocell in place starting to pipe., Flue pipe being redone. Pictures to follow later today. The Lady of The Manor is really happy to have us there...it's so nice to be appreciated for your High Standards. Mad Dog 🐕
Re: The Rise and Fall of Radiator Foundries: A Two Century Journey to Casting Radiators for Today
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Rinnai - Error Code 12 & Airflow Restrictor Cap
I've recently had a Rinnai 199iP indoor condensing how water heater. Supporting this installation I also had a 420# propane tank installed.
Problem - The Rinnai ignites and starts the burner kicks in, but then starts to "flutter" and ultimately kicks out an error 12, indicating it's not detecting a flame.
Obviously Solution - The unit isn't getting enough propane. The installer increased the line sizes, checked all the regulators, and I personally checked the pressure coming into the unit and get a solid 12.69 inches of water column, which in the required range of 10-14". The made quite a few changes, and while my propane stove works great, the Rinnai doesn't.
Called Rinnai Technical Support - After much discussion the tech support guy had us reach into the unit and block the fresh air intake that is inside that unit. And it instantly started working great. Solid flame, hot water, no error codes. We were told to order part # 108000106, which will partially obstruct airflow to the unit. Reason for the failure given was: "Your propane is contaminated and isn't requiring the rate of air being delivered to the unit to operate properly".
Why I'm asking for more information - I can't find anything on-line about this kind of failure. This unit is in my home in the basement and it doesn't feel right to me to restrict airflow in an imprecise way. Bad combustion usually = bad outcomes. Am I overreacting? Has anyone even heard of this issue?
Thanks in advance for any help / experience / input.
-Jeff
Problem - The Rinnai ignites and starts the burner kicks in, but then starts to "flutter" and ultimately kicks out an error 12, indicating it's not detecting a flame.
Obviously Solution - The unit isn't getting enough propane. The installer increased the line sizes, checked all the regulators, and I personally checked the pressure coming into the unit and get a solid 12.69 inches of water column, which in the required range of 10-14". The made quite a few changes, and while my propane stove works great, the Rinnai doesn't.
Called Rinnai Technical Support - After much discussion the tech support guy had us reach into the unit and block the fresh air intake that is inside that unit. And it instantly started working great. Solid flame, hot water, no error codes. We were told to order part # 108000106, which will partially obstruct airflow to the unit. Reason for the failure given was: "Your propane is contaminated and isn't requiring the rate of air being delivered to the unit to operate properly".
Why I'm asking for more information - I can't find anything on-line about this kind of failure. This unit is in my home in the basement and it doesn't feel right to me to restrict airflow in an imprecise way. Bad combustion usually = bad outcomes. Am I overreacting? Has anyone even heard of this issue?
Thanks in advance for any help / experience / input.
-Jeff
JLung
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Re: Giant Hole in Giant Pipe
I'd wrap it in Denso tape which is a polypropylene fleece saturated with a petroleum compound that repels water. Messy to use, but gets the job done.
https://www.amazon.com/Densyl-Tape-Shipping-Located-DENTAPE50MM/dp/B001OXDD6K/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2G7SCD50ME68&keywords=denso+tape&qid=1699231611&sprefix=denso,aps,140&sr=8-2&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Densyl-Tape-Shipping-Located-DENTAPE50MM/dp/B001OXDD6K/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2G7SCD50ME68&keywords=denso+tape&qid=1699231611&sprefix=denso,aps,140&sr=8-2&th=1
