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Re: Possible DIY boiler replacement questions

Well, I gave it one more go will trying to get the CO down and now I am at 24ppm while everything is nice and warm. Going to leave it at that and call this project a success.

With the new zone controller the boiler doesn't power cycle when the priority zone calls and ends a call, and with the new HX there is no more leaking condensate out and unmetered air in.

I would like to thank everyone who offered advice, even if I didn't take it. I kept the circulators where they are since I really didn't want to mess with anything else. I did get all the crude out of the expansion tank. So that, along with the dirt separator, and no leaks, I will hopefully be good to go for a while. Both heat zones have been run and everything is nice and quiet and all the radiators get hot.

This is a great forum. As much as it has made me sad to realize that I had spent a bunch of money on 2 different techs to try to figure out issues that I was having that were very obvious(although not to them), at least now I know that I can keep this boiler running myself.
ZackRZackR

Diy HVAC Project

Just wanted to share a project of mine that’s starting to come together. Removed single stage ac/furnace and installed variable speed heat pump with two stage gas furnace. Replaced ductwork and zoned unit. Upgraded filter set up and installed a steam humidifier. Combi gas boiler for radiant that’s in progress. Some rough in for future zones as well. Some touch ups left but what’s a project without having something still needed to be done?





Re: Correcting the code inspector

I was a building inspector for a while -- and I learned a tremendous amount just talking to the various contractors we worked with. I remember a few times when we both sat down with the code book and tried to figure out what it really meant... and whether it made any sense to do it that way...

There were also a few times when my partner and I just pitched in and helped somebody do something. We had a big Ford Country Squire station wagon, and pretty much any plumbing or electrical tool you could want was in back there somewhere.

On the other hand, there were a few contractors -- out of state folks who didn't know how things worked in [unnamed State] who gave us a hard time, and we did have a few slightly quirky state-specific regulations. One of the things I learned rather early on was that it was literally impossible to do everthing exactly according to code (we used three -- National Electrical, Uniform Building, and National Plumbing -- this was years and years ago) and, honestly, if someone was being difficult...

Re: The Rise and Fall of Radiator Foundries: A Two Century Journey to Casting Radiators for Today

I'll be there along with my students. Nick is a passionate artisan and the products are just beautiful. We install many of them throughout the NY-NJ area where steam heat is the period appropriate method of heating a home. Cast Rads' customers are design oriented by nature and are willing to pay well for this elevated heating product while others throw a cover over an old radiator after a renovation. Most often, these are people who appreciate steam every bit as much as we do and showcase their radiators as if they were a new chandelier or a painting on the wall. Cast Rads is a great company and their showroom is two blocks from the building I live in so I'm fortunate to see a lot of the product line on display.
We're very much looking forward to this event.
JohnNYJohnNY

Re: Correcting the code inspector

Back when I started working in NJ, there was no HVAC license. There was an electrician and a plumbing license but not HVAC. Since I was not an electrician or a plumber, I needed to get the local municipality contractor license in order to pull a permit. Since I worked the entire county, in some years I had up to 7 different licenses. I always renewed my Sea Isle City license because where I lived did not require a license. Then when I needed a permit, I would fill out all the forms and ask if this town required a municipal license? I showed my Sea Isle Local License, my insurance certificate and my registered company name for a NJ corporation. This was usually enough.

One time I had all the papers filled out for Lower Township NJ with the local license app, the sub-code form for plumbing, a gas pipe diagram and walked into the office and asked for the plumbing inspector. I told him that I was installing about 6 ft of gas pipe for a wall hung non-vented space heater. There was no electric, no chimney or vent connection and the gas company had already piped in the service riser from the street.

Now since I started work at 7:30 AM and the code office was not open until 9:30 AM and the plumbing inspector did not show up until 10:00 AM, I had 90% of the work done and just wanted to get the paperwork done so I could get a gas pressure test inspection.

This BOZO went to the customer's home and told her that she should not have let me into her home, because I was unlicensed, and had no insurance, and was probably going to try to rip her off.

That afternoon I returned to finish the pipe and put a pressure test on it. The customer started to scream at me and was so upset with me because of what the inspector told her. After she calmed down, I explained that I do not have a license in every town, but only get that town's license when I need to get a permit. I showed her the photocopies of the application, my insurance and the other 2 licenses I had from other towns. All good... Because I have been doing her oil burner service for about 5 years by then.

When I got the call from Lower Township three days later, to say the permit was ready and the cost was going to be a little over $300.00 and to bring 2 separate checks because the license and the permit could not be paid with the same check. No problem. I showed up the following day and got the breakdown for the permit and license

$100.00 License application for 1984
$ 75.00 License renewal for 1985 because the work could not possibly be inspected until the next year (it was November and they were sure that I was not going to be finished before the end of the year)

$35.00 Minimum charge for gas line inspection for a heating appliance (plumbing)
$35.00 Minimum charge for electrical permit. Obviously you need to wire up that heater
$35.00 Minimum charge for a fire inspection. Any gas heating appliance needs to have a fire inspection.
$25.00 The cost of filing a permit with the building department

So those 4 forms will cost $130.00

Total to get permission for installing a gas pipe and having it inspected $305.00

Do you know what I charged the customer for the gas pipe? $250.00 for parts labor and hanging the gas heater on the wall that she purchased from a big box store, where she wanted it.

So… Who is doing the ripping off here?

I called the Mayor’s office and said that the building department slandered ME, and my company in front of a Voter, The plumbing inspector told said Voter that I was ripping her off, And now wants me to pay them over $300.00 for permission to do a job that I only charged that voter $250.00 for. I made that call from the building department’s phone so they all could hear me.

As it turns out I paid for the license application $100.00 and 35.00 for the gas pipe inspection. It turns out that I did not need a building permit because the building was already there. The fire inspector only inspects the venting system on gas furnaces and boilers, and this was an unvented appliance, so nothing to inspect. And there were no electrical connections because the gas valve ran on a pilot generator. Even the optional fan would just plug into the wall. But what do I know, I was just a kid back then.

$135.00 and I only needed one check. The plumbing inspector wrote a letter of apology to that customer because he misspoke.



Re: New Boiler Options (or fix 50+ year old unit)?

We are also looking at adding central, high velocity mini duct A/C system through the house. I've read up on hybrid heat pump / furnace systems, but I'm not sure if that's applicable in a seperate ducted A/C & radiator setup? I guess the question is, could a heat pump system run cast iron radiators and interface with a boiler?
Assuming you are not a candidate for Geothermal, Heat Pumps are air source. They come in two types; Air to Air (AtA), and Air to Water (AtW).
I'll discuss AtA first. ATA is most similar to central air conditioning. AtA can also blow lukewarm air on spring and fall days. AtA could keep your house livable in the dead of winter if your boiler dies.
AtW is much less common. AtW can circulate lukewarm water through your radiators in the spring and fall, and circulate cold water or refrigerant through a coil with an air handler (fan) for summer air conditioning. But if you have ducts and an air handler for AC, what's the point of running lukewarm water through your radiators? Just run lukewarm air through the ductwork. AtW has drawbacks. The two biggest are uncommon (less choice and support), and may require Glycol for freeze protection. Glycol should be avoided if possible.
Running cold water through the existing radiators in summer would cause them to drip condensation from humid air. So can't do that.
In my opinion, you should focus your search on an AtA heat pump, which will give you summer AC and some winter heat backup.
Keep the natural gas, radiators, and boiler. Some day you may need to replace the boiler, or maybe it has 40 years of life left.

WMno57WMno57

Re: Heating Pros: Please Help Us With This Quick Survey

A steam boiler failing every ten years is the true sign of excessive make up water caused by leaks weather on the wet side or on the steam side it’s a sign of a heating contractor just changing parts and not finding the leaks and repairing . True some small leaks are near impossible to find until they final give way and give visual signs of leakage . As the doom looms on gas appliances wonder what the story will be when every thing is electric in homes that are ancient that will never be energy eff I gather it will be cold and high bills to remain cold . It would seem that to keep the ball rolling in a larger pic nothing can last forever things must fail and the endless cycle continues like birth life and death it’s the same w mech things it s the same cycle . You pick your poison and cross your fingers make the sign of the cross and spit on it to seal the deal . What’s one to do . One must pick their fate deal w the cards they’re dealt and move on . It may seem off base from the topic at hand but think about it and think cause and effect and reflect and think about the past where we are today and if maybe just a little bit of foresight in the past would have led us all down a possibly better road then the toll based pot holed ridden roads that we all drive on and accept and tolerate while we pay tolls ,fuel road taxes and qod only knows what else and the holes get bigger . Why would anything ina private for profit bussinesss make anything which lasts forever . In reality they all really want a piece of the toilet paper business one wipe and it’s gone zero liability zero complaints would not that be excellent one use no complaints and money in the bank . There getting close 2 year or 24 k warranty ona new car just like toilet paper one wipe and it down the drain .
Ok enough rant more coffee nicotine Benzedrine wish me luck .
Quoted jerry Reid
Peace and good luck clammy
clammyclammy

Re: Correcting the code inspector

It happens here quite a bit . In Jersey you must require the inspector to cite what chapter , paragraph , sub paragraph you are in violation of . He must oblige . When he does this then you can attempt to have a civilized discussion with him in the case he is incorrect .In the case he is and does not understand or has an issue in interpretation we make a formal request for interpretation to the Division of Consumer Affairs , code assistance unit . They give us an opinion within 72 hours max but usually faster .
As Swei stated that usually calms the beast and they tend to become human and realize that they are not the Authority having Jurisdiction . By that I mean that most States have an adopted model code that the inspector enforces . He does not get to make up his own facts and rules , that's for Politicians

Re: Ok...now I'm a believer.....

We just picked up a Ridgid 238P. Havent used it yet, but it sure is compact.

Re: The Rise and Fall of Radiator Foundries: A Two Century Journey to Casting Radiators for Today

The detailed Filagree is SICK!!!   Unfortunately, I just realized I'll up be up with My Taco Fambly training that day.  Will that be accessible via internet? I'm sure the Hotel will have a computer 🖥...Mad Dog 
@Mad Dog_2, yes you can watch online. Just sign up here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-rise-and-fall-of-radiator-foundries-a-200-year-journey-online-tickets-736788292617