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Smart water shut offs has anyone do they work are they worth it etc.

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jgg765
jgg765 Posts: 6
in Plumbing

Hello,

I was wondering how people feel about the smart water shut offs has anyone installed a smart water shut off valve.

Plus Smart Water Assistant & Shutoff (2nd Gen)

Moen 900-006 Flo Smart Water Monitor and Shutoff in 1-Inch Diameter

Thank you.

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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Posts: 27,748

    I have my doubts, though it would be nice. My question is… define "leak". It pretty well has to be something about flows, but what? Considering that one drip a minute — less than a gallon a day — in the wrong place (like behind plaster or drywall) can do an appalling amount of damage given time, is that a leak? Or is it a 1 1/2 inch main at 60 psi making like Niagara Falls? Or…?

    I'll be watching this thread!

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Posts: 4,189

    Hi, I have installed Moen and another off-brand because insurance companies in the West are threatening to cancel home insurance if you don't install them. I can only hope they actually do some good. 🤨

    Yours, Larry

  • FloMo201
    FloMo201 Posts: 70

    I went with a DIY product…..Econet Bulldog Valve Robot Provided you have a ball valve as your main shutoff. This sits on top of the ball value and can articulate the arm to close the valve. It does use sensors that you need to place in strategic locations. But, its a fairly fool proof setup and nothing needs to be learned to work properly.

    https://www.econetshop.com/

    Cheers, Flo

  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Posts: 4,852
    edited September 14

    It’s another bothersome thing you have to monitor that sends you alerts. It’s insurance: something you get because you’re made aware that a catastrophe might happen.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 18,010
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1903788#Comment_1903788

    i met someone that had a system that used the analysis of sound, possibly ultrasonic to determine what was a leak. i'd imagine it is like GFCI or AFCI products, they will get increasingly better as real world experience increases.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Posts: 28,238

    The issues I have hears is they shutoff prematurely, maybe on a large hose bib draw? I suppose better to error that way then not shut off if there is a burst pipe?

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 20,956

    Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I suppose in some buildings it makes sense. Do a walk through and keep your eyes open for problems and you don't need it imho.

    Pipes generally don't burst apart and flood. Even water heaters don't usually blow apart.

    Just make you wonder if this is a reaction to pex, cpvc, shark bite etc etc etc. Did we need these with copper joints and soldered joints?

    i know just and old fart talking.

    PC7060
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 18,010

    i've heard numerous stories of copper joints that got missed when the pipes were sweated that held for years then popped apart one day

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Posts: 8,728

    Flologic...yes. no issues we are aware of over the last few years. High Quality product. $$$$..Mad Dog

    Consulting by Mad Dog & Matt Jr.

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