near toilet floor constantly wet
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More pictures all around toilet.
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There's a commonly overlooked source: condensation. If the relative humidity is high enough — unlikely in the winter, but not impossible — condensation can form on the tank from the cold water coming in and then drip down on the floor. I've had that happen.
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England3 -
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I've replaced many dozens of toilets in a former life. Seeing that moisture pattern and assuming you already ruled out the supply line leaking
-Tank to bowl ring gasket or bolt gaskets leaking
-condensation around tank dripping down, generally more common in summer in spaces without AC
-leaking wax ring and water seeping under tiles but coming up through grout joints
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Is the house on a slab? Looks like an under floor leak. It looks dry around the toilet .
Miss Hall's School service mechanic, greenhouse manager, teacher, dog walker and designated driver
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@azward "What could be leaking?"
The packing nut on the service valve.
The closet riser/supply tube suppling water to the toilet.
The tank to bowl bolts are loose.
The tank to bowl washers used with the same bolts are worn out.
The flush valve spud gasket between the tank and bowl.
Condensation build up on the toilet.
The thoughts above can commonly be checked visually.
Below are not usually visible.
The next is the wax gasket that cannot be seen between the floor and the toilet.
Rarely the toilet could be cracked. I mention this here because a crack is not always visible.
If any of the above are not found, a rebuild with the above parts should eliminate the leak.
As what @HomerJSmith says above. "More pictures all-around."
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Do the wet finger test. What's the wet finger test, you ask? Run a dry finger under the tank where it meets the bowel. If your finger comes up wet, you're honing in on the source of your concern.
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connection from the storage tank to the toilet
Water inlet
You need to look under the tank
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Thanks all your inputs.
Will take more photos around the toilet.
The humidity stays around 36% so it's not too wet. Will do the finger test.
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36% at 70F is a dew point of around 40, so even really cold water probably wouldn't cause much if any condensation.
I'd take pictures with my phone my self. I don't like reaching under toilets blindly. 😉
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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agree although I use toilet papers, readily available and show wet spots quicker.
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Thanks for all your posts. The perimeter of the toilet base is dry. I also placed some tissue paper behind the toilet, it didn't show drippings after several days. The water inlet and connection area felt dry. So the water is likely weeping from beneath. What pipes are down there?
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sounds like this isn't the active source of your water but make sure you're tight here too
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i'm considering starting from the wall, because changing toilet takes only hours, but without toilet for days is inconvenient
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Changing the wax ring is a 15 minute job unless it's your first one. I stock several different thicknesses of wax ring and a non-wax seal or two so I don't spend a lot of time running for parts. If you don't know what you need you will have a run to the hardware store after you take it off. To me, what I see in the pictures had me thinking wax ring immediately. If you get one of those non-wax seals, while they are more expensive, they are easy for someone who isn't familiar with the job to get it right the first time. Just FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS on the box.
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@azward It appears that you have tile and grout there. Water follows grout lines, it doesn't permeate a glazed tile and so the tile doesn't look wet. Unless the seal has failed catastrophically there's only a little water leaking at each flush and it follows the grout lines as the path of least resistance, it won't necessarily flood out over the surface of the tiles. Back when I was on a maintenance crew and saw situations like your picture shows I did the "wet finger" test underneath the tank and checked the supply line for leaks but it usually was the wax ring.
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dry it out and see if it starts from the wall or the supply line. put a rag or paper towel in the path so you can figure out which way it is going. i suspect the 2 supply lines screwed together may be leaking at that joint or the tubing itself is leaking, dripping there, and collecting in the corner if the corner is slightly lower.
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Is this the same building as your other post? If this was on a slab I'd have guessed a leak in the slab floor soaking through the mortar. But I would guess there is a leak in the wall behind the toilet.
Miss Hall's School service mechanic, greenhouse manager, teacher, dog walker and designated driver
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Sometimes this type of leak is not visible. They can be very faint.
This is the reason for this attached post. Fixing all above the floor first, as there can be multiple issues here.
If that doesn't work and the leak persists, then you pull the toilet, check the flange and replace the wax gasket and bolts.
If all of this doesn't work, and this one is rare, replace the toilet.
If the leak is not obvious this is what is recommended. Otherwise you will be chasing a leak or fixing one while unknowing creating another.
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since it is in your own home you can dry things up and make a barrier on the floor to figure out where it is coming from. this would be more difficult for a professional that would only be there a couple hours trying to track it down
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now i would bet it's very likely the shower. the shower stall is to the right hand side of the toilet (facing toilet)
this is a photo of the wall in the boiler room, right behind the shower area. it's constantly sweating. now connecting the two areas together, it's very likely the shower water supply tubing, or the drain pipe is leaking
to crack things open, where should I start?
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the handles for the shower controls need to be sealed one way or another to keep water splashed on it from running inside the wall, either by the valve body being sealed to the tile or by the cover being sealed to the tile. a lot of less than competent installers miss this. it could also be failure of the shower pan or the tile.
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do you mean the drain needs plumber putty to be replenished?
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@azward sez,"…changing toilet takes only hours, but without toilet for days is inconvenient".
There 's always the Great Outdoors. That's why they call it great.
It could be the two bolts that hold the tank to the base. The seal washer inside the tank could be the problem, the supply line to the tank could be dripping. Maybe a bad flush valve.
If you dry the floor with a hair dryer and not use the toilet. does it leak. If no, it could be the trap seal or a defect (crack) in the trap ceramic on the underside of the base. Every time you flush the toilet the leak appears.
Toilets are cheap, replacing it might be your only option.
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I guess there's cheap toilets, and they are usually less than great.
Then there's decent toilets, and they aren't exactly cheap and then there's really good toilets…..
I'd expect to pay $400-800 for a decent toilet with tax etc.
My problem with pulling a toilet is I know without a doubt I'm not going to be happy with what's under it and it turns into a whole day ordeal.
Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.
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Toilets have flush ratings. Costco has reasonable toilets.
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I had a really weird one once — a flush valve (antique!) which sprayed a little water onto the tank lid. Which then flowed along the lid to the rim of the lid outside the tank itself, and then dripped onto the floor behind the toilet, but not right away when you flushed.
Took a while to track that one down…
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England3 -
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