NEW STEAM BOILER COST

Old rule of thumb from way back was to take the price of the boiler and double it.

That is not enough. Taking the price of the boiler and all the material needed to install it and doubling that may get you close.

Or the boiler cost x 3

Either way it doesn't matter. Labor prices vary from area to area.

Some installers do a great job and some do the old cut and slide.

You get what you pay for.

Christmas boiler job ?

Did anyone mention the chimney flue?

That can get into some big numbers.

I had to do a 45' 10" SS and that cost was about like buying another boiler.

In the Hot Water heating side, the chimney option might turn the job into a Mod Con rather than simple CI.

3x the boiler cost is a fair starting point, but have some contingency money as well for like asbestos removal, chimney liners, radiator valves and condensate return lines, etc.

………………ducting to bring fresh air to the boiler room from outdoors……………..with fire damper

……………… 2.5" risers, 4" drop header……………………………………………………………………………………..

…………………removing cement encased 500g oil tank in an oil to gas connversion……………………..

………………..repiping the HWH..no 1/2" permitted anymore………

………………..Installing CO detector with boiler shutoff…………

………………..Tekmar 279 in lieu of thermostat……………………………

…………………40' SS chimney liner………………8"…………………………………

……………….1" insulation on all NBP and 100' of 2.5"…………………………………………

………………..2.5" King Valves (2)……………………………………………………………………..

………………..timer to delay feed water for 12 minutes after shutdown……………

……………….. (2) Gorton 2, (4) Gorton 1, (8) Gorton 4, (10) Gorton 5, (4) Gorton 6..

……………..in NYC………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

6X cost of boiler.

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Hard to find a chimney guy that can still do a drawn clay liner for a masonary chimney. Another lost art. Had all mine done by a 70+yr old 22yrs ago who had done my previous house 10 years earlier. 1/4 the price most chimney guys were quoting to install SS chimney liners.

@dabrakeman . " Drawn clay liner" ?

@clammy

Unfortunately everyone goes on line looks at a steam boiler price and figures that there contractor is ripping them off and are usually just price or sucker shopping .No matter what math or mark up method one uses as always told to me by a respected plumber was every job is like rolling craps its lucky seven or snake eyes . The other Biggy is are ya getting a complete job ? Any fool can toss in a steamer and roll away but the truth be told as many may know there's a lot more then just replacing the boiler especially when dealing w old systems . Yeah guys prices are high but if ya include doing the rest of the work to put it back to the way it should work then your replacing radiator vents and either adding or replacing main vents

Well, since it is Sunday morning and I'm just chilling out, I figure you deserve a response to this since it is eating you alive.

You are perpetually fixed on human nature itself. Only about 5% of the population has the brainpower to understand a complicated system like a steam boiler and make an EDUCATED decision what to purchase. Consider that sentence for awhile.

Now, consider how much of that 5% have the DESIRE to learn and understand the details of what you are trying to explain to them so they can make a truly educated decision? Maybe 20% of that group?

So, you face the prospect of educating and convincing, with the technical facts, of roughly 1% of the people you encounter who might need a new steam boiler. The remainder will have their eyes glaze over within 10 minutes of your spiel. They only want "heat".

It really isn't any different than people who need to get their vehicles repaired. How many of them can be educated to the finer points of vehicle repair? They only want the vehicle to move. The only difference with car repair is that they MUST HAVE IT NOW so the cost basically becomes irrelevant in their mind. They are not going to shop for the cheapest mechanic because the vehicle cannot move!

So, suffice it to say that your approach to selling a steam boiler is incorrect. Appealing to their intellect with regard to what you will provide, all the vents, the valves, the piping sizes, etc. is a non-starter…………because, effectively, they don't have any. These people operate on EMOTION. The most successful salesmen in the USA figure out a way to put the fear of god into the potential customer and cause him to go ahead with the project immediately.

Let me tell you a story about a company that sells the covers that go on top of a gutter to prevent leaves from getting into the gutter. They sell this $3.00 item (for three feet) for about $50.00. A typical house costs over $5,000. So, you would think that NOBODY would EVER buy from them and they would be out of business. But, they're not! You see them on the TV every day. The first part of their name is "LEAF". How can that be? The company is a master in sales and the representative will NOT come to the house unless both the husband and wife are present. He carefully scares the sht out of the wife with the potential harm that will come to the building without this product. They sign. The workmanship is terrible and they have no employees that do the install. It's all contracted out to others. Remember what I said about EMOTION.

So, in conclusion of my rant……………..the technical facts of the boiler installation don't matter one whit…………….it's putting the fear of NO HEAT into their heart that gets the sale.

BTW, most tradesmen are ILL-SUITED to be a proper salesman. They would be well ahead of the game if they utilized a good salesman to get the job. You would find that the 2% success rate would climb to at least 15%…………….AND, realize that the salesman knows almost nothing about a steam boiler!

And, I tell you with all due respect…………..you are a terrible salesman……………….because your expectations that the customer won't go forward due to price……………will spill over in your responses and the potential customer will feel it. Remember what I said about EMOTION.

There is most definitely the possibility of taking EMOTION too far and causing a backlash by the customer. This is what separates the poor salesman from a good one. Threats of immediate death rarely work but I assume he figured it might be effective with an 80 year old.

Every day I seem to hear how a scammer cons an older person out of a huge amount of money. Latest case was close to $100K.

Ethical considerations…………….did I hear that right…………..???

The lack of ethics in the quest for financial reward is the point I was attempting to make. Such behavior is commonplace today if you simply turn on the news. It is so prevalent that it basically convinces good people that it is normal behavior. So, their supposed ethics evaporate with various defenses.

How many people need to pass you on the highway doing 85 (in a 65) before your own behavior is modified to reflect this normalcy?

where is there ANY enforcement?

The speed limits are a good example not enforced

We here all the time manual “J’s” are required yet oversized equipment on undersized ducts are the norm.

Some people have integrity, some have intelligence. The challenge is to find the ones that make your business successful.

• If you are a crook and a hack, we know what customers you seek.
• If you are capable and honest, you have to choose your customers wisely.

Competing for the same customer is a waste of time.

How is saying a boiler should cost some multiple of the retail cost not a violation of the site's rules against discussing job pricing guys? 😅