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Pay attention to this one!
Read what a jury decided in a CO poisoning case.
Contractors take notice!
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2004/02/06/news/wyoming/ae0ac1ab478b262387256e3200072a10.txt
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Perfect place to go to die
Any ignoramus will love this place. Go here to die.
http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/Stories/0,1413,106~4994~1939831,00.html
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Family deaths bring CO detector recall!
The recent deaths of a family due to carbon monoxide highlighted
the need for a detection device. Now one device is being recalled. ...
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1643545&nav=168XKnoP
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Chicago
Read this one.
12 major appliances!!!!!!!!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0402170064feb17,1,3840089.story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
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Firemen doing TESTING!
They found what could have been a deadly situation.
Why didn't a heating contractor find it?
Because 99.9% do not test.
http://www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1649758&nav=4QcHKtBy
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Dirty furnace filter?
If you happen to read this article, look at what is being blamed as the cause of the CO.
A dirty furnace filter.
Our industry needs to be leading he way here folks, and we are not.
http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=1654811
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Dirty Furnace Filter
I sent an e-mail to the reporter on that one as I am afraid they are going back into that home after only changing a filter. Every fire and police department needs to be instructed by professionals who know about CO and its effect on equipment and how to respond when equipment is suspect. I had a gas company who left a boiler on that was making 2000 ppm because they did not want to shut off the heat in a cold snap.0 -
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Dirty fliter
Not that I think the responders to the CO call knew what they were doing, but it is a fact that a dirty filter can cause a furnace or water heater in the same closet to make CO from excess leakage in the furnace take-off and blower door. Have had several apartments and home where this has happened.0 -
Plaese Read This...
Gas levels fuel concerns
By SUSAN HYLTON World Staff Writer
2/22/2004
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Carbon monoxide tests high at an Expo Square event, but fire officials can't say for certain how high is too high.
Carbon monoxide levels in the Exposition Center during the recent Chili Bowl Midget Nationals exceeded the limit recommended by the fire department despite efforts that were made to allow more fresh air into the building.
Carbon monoxide levels peaked at 305 parts per million Jan. 10 during a sold-out race attended by about 7,000 people. The levels should not have exceeded 200 ppm, according to a fire marshal's report.
"That was a number we pulled out of our hip pocket," said Randy Brasfield, Tulsa Fire Department hazardous materials training officer. "We have no standards to hang our hat on."
There are no state or federal regulations on carbon monoxide concentrations at indoor sporting events involving gasoline-powered engines. The 200-ppm threshold the fire department recommended is the same ceiling the Occupational Safety and Health Administration allows in the workplace for a 30-minute exposure.
"The levels are high, don't misunderstand me. But the regulatory levels are set artificially low to protect us all," Brasfield said.
Fire officials do not believe the carbon monoxide levels during one of Expo Square's most popular events were hazardous.
"It wasn't endangering anyone's life at 300 ppm," said Terry Whiteley, assistant fire marshal.
Carbon monoxide became an issue during the second night of the Chili Bowl on Jan. 8 after a spectator monitoring air quality recorded levels exceeding 300 ppm and called the fire department. Fairgrounds officials had left the doors to the building closed that night to appease neighbors who had complained about noise.
Fairgrounds officials agreed to open more doors, place fans under the bleachers, remove panels from several air-handling units and open up more vents on the roof. The fairgrounds was also required to monitor the carbon monoxide levels, which it had not been doing.
The 200-ppm carbon monoxide level was also agreed on as a limit.
A 69-year-old male spectator was taken to an area hospital in fair condition Jan. 8, but Brasfield said the man was not tested for carbon monoxide poisoning.
"The ambulance crew didn't suspect this was the cause," he said. "I think they thought he'd been overcome by heat."
Expo Square President Denny Tuttle said Vision 2025 capital improvement funding approved by voters in September calls for the Exposition Center to get a new roof. Tuttle said alternate bids would be solicited for an automatic louver system so air can be pushed out the ceiling, as well as louvers that would run the full length of the building on the lower-level windows.
"We need to be concerned about carbon monoxide levels. Certainly we're going to take steps to improve it," Tuttle said.
The fire department has expressed satisfaction with the efforts of Expo Square officials.
"I know of no plans for the fire department to get actively involved with the fairgrounds," Brasfield said. "The fairgrounds gave us the assurance that before the next races these levels would be a lot more in control."
Since there are no laws regarding carbon monoxide levels at indoor racing events, some fire and health departments take it upon themselves to regulate them. Denis Boudreau, an environmental safety specialist with the Cincinnati Health Department, has been monitoring carbon monoxide levels during tractor pulls, monster truck rallies and other shows at that city's US Bank Arena since the early '90s.
Requiring a permit was a move that was not popular among the arena's management, according to news reports, but Boudreau believes it was appropriate. Shows there are shut down when there are two consecutive carbon monoxide readings of more than 200 ppm. Allowing levels to reach 300 ppm would not be tolerated, he said.
"That would be something we would not allow to occur. That's one of the things we're trying to avoid in Cincinnati to that magnitude," Boudreau said.
Brasfield said Expo Square officials agreed to increase the time between races and to push those with the most cars, about 30, to the latter part of night. But they did not stop racing when the carbon monoxide level peaked at 305 ppm.
"Rather than stop the race at that point, which probably would have gotten them mobbed by the crowd, they have finished a race and people are leaving," he said.
Tuttle said carbon monoxide levels immediately dropped to the 50-ppm range between races and average levels were around 170 ppm.
Fairgrounds officials make no bones about wanting to keep the Chili Bowl at Expo Square. This January was the 18th year for the event.
Tuttle said the Chili Bowl has an estimated $5 million impact on the city and 60 percent of tickets are sold to people living out of state. It is Expo Square's largest revenue event outside of the Tulsa State Fair, netting about $150,000, he said.
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Susan Hylton 581-8313
susan.hylton@tulsaworld.com
Related Photos & Graphics
Some racing fans in the grandstand wear masks on Jan. 10 during the Chili Bowl Midget Nationals at Expo Square.
STEPHEN PINGRY / Tulsa World
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Copyright © 2004, World Publishing Co. All rights reserved.
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Plaese Read this newspaper article...
Gas levels fuel concerns
By SUSAN HYLTON World Staff Writer
2/22/2004
View in Print (PDF) Format
Carbon monoxide tests high at an Expo Square event, but fire officials can't say for certain how high is too high.
Carbon monoxide levels in the Exposition Center during the recent Chili Bowl Midget Nationals exceeded the limit recommended by the fire department despite efforts that were made to allow more fresh air into the building.
Carbon monoxide levels peaked at 305 parts per million Jan. 10 during a sold-out race attended by about 7,000 people. The levels should not have exceeded 200 ppm, according to a fire marshal's report.
"That was a number we pulled out of our hip pocket," said Randy Brasfield, Tulsa Fire Department hazardous materials training officer. "We have no standards to hang our hat on."
There are no state or federal regulations on carbon monoxide concentrations at indoor sporting events involving gasoline-powered engines. The 200-ppm threshold the fire department recommended is the same ceiling the Occupational Safety and Health Administration allows in the workplace for a 30-minute exposure.
"The levels are high, don't misunderstand me. But the regulatory levels are set artificially low to protect us all," Brasfield said.
Fire officials do not believe the carbon monoxide levels during one of Expo Square's most popular events were hazardous.
"It wasn't endangering anyone's life at 300 ppm," said Terry Whiteley, assistant fire marshal.
Carbon monoxide became an issue during the second night of the Chili Bowl on Jan. 8 after a spectator monitoring air quality recorded levels exceeding 300 ppm and called the fire department. Fairgrounds officials had left the doors to the building closed that night to appease neighbors who had complained about noise.
Fairgrounds officials agreed to open more doors, place fans under the bleachers, remove panels from several air-handling units and open up more vents on the roof. The fairgrounds was also required to monitor the carbon monoxide levels, which it had not been doing.
The 200-ppm carbon monoxide level was also agreed on as a limit.
A 69-year-old male spectator was taken to an area hospital in fair condition Jan. 8, but Brasfield said the man was not tested for carbon monoxide poisoning.
"The ambulance crew didn't suspect this was the cause," he said. "I think they thought he'd been overcome by heat."
Expo Square President Denny Tuttle said Vision 2025 capital improvement funding approved by voters in September calls for the Exposition Center to get a new roof. Tuttle said alternate bids would be solicited for an automatic louver system so air can be pushed out the ceiling, as well as louvers that would run the full length of the building on the lower-level windows.
"We need to be concerned about carbon monoxide levels. Certainly we're going to take steps to improve it," Tuttle said.
The fire department has expressed satisfaction with the efforts of Expo Square officials.
"I know of no plans for the fire department to get actively involved with the fairgrounds," Brasfield said. "The fairgrounds gave us the assurance that before the next races these levels would be a lot more in control."
Since there are no laws regarding carbon monoxide levels at indoor racing events, some fire and health departments take it upon themselves to regulate them. Denis Boudreau, an environmental safety specialist with the Cincinnati Health Department, has been monitoring carbon monoxide levels during tractor pulls, monster truck rallies and other shows at that city's US Bank Arena since the early '90s.
Requiring a permit was a move that was not popular among the arena's management, according to news reports, but Boudreau believes it was appropriate. Shows there are shut down when there are two consecutive carbon monoxide readings of more than 200 ppm. Allowing levels to reach 300 ppm would not be tolerated, he said.
"That would be something we would not allow to occur. That's one of the things we're trying to avoid in Cincinnati to that magnitude," Boudreau said.
Brasfield said Expo Square officials agreed to increase the time between races and to push those with the most cars, about 30, to the latter part of night. But they did not stop racing when the carbon monoxide level peaked at 305 ppm.
"Rather than stop the race at that point, which probably would have gotten them mobbed by the crowd, they have finished a race and people are leaving," he said.
Tuttle said carbon monoxide levels immediately dropped to the 50-ppm range between races and average levels were around 170 ppm.
Fairgrounds officials make no bones about wanting to keep the Chili Bowl at Expo Square. This January was the 18th year for the event.
Tuttle said the Chili Bowl has an estimated $5 million impact on the city and 60 percent of tickets are sold to people living out of state. It is Expo Square's largest revenue event outside of the Tulsa State Fair, netting about $150,000, he said.
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Susan Hylton 581-8313
susan.hylton@tulsaworld.com
Related Photos & Graphics
Some racing fans in the grandstand wear masks on Jan. 10 during the Chili Bowl Midget Nationals at Expo Square.
STEPHEN PINGRY / Tulsa World
View in Print (PDF) Format
Copyright © 2004, World Publishing Co. All rights reserved.
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New York again!
Wake up guys!
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11030520&BRD=1601&PAG=461&dept_id=477132&rfi=6
We can be heroes here, or......................................................................................................................................zeroes.
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Sometimes The Good Guys Win !!!!
About education and knowing what to do.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-12/107842554427792.xml
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Here's another report with pictures.
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1686706&nav=0RceLGwk
Notice the equipment the FD is using, Bacarach Fyrite Pro! wish more departments would.
The only bad thing is the tech going back in to the house especially with 265 ppm in the basement. He could have gone from rescuer to victim.0 -
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Read this story
You will find near the end of the article some of the dumbest statements ever made. BLUE FLAMES DO NOT INDICATE PROPER COMBUSTION!!!
This is why WE, US, PHVAC PROFSESSIONALS, need to be TRAINED. WE need to be TESTING EVERY COMBUSTION APPLIANCE!
There were about 15 people in the class I attended in LI last week, 15.
That is a pathetic reflection of our industry.
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1686706&nav=0RceLGwk
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and another
> http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1686706&n
> av=0RceLGwk
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> Notice the equipment the FD is
> using, Bacarach Fyrite Pro! wish more departments
> would.
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> The only bad thing is the tech going
> back in to the house especially with 265 ppm in
> the basement. He could have gone from rescuer to
> victim.
http://www.rnews.com/Story.cfm?ID=16973&rnews_story_type=18There was an error rendering this rich post.
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Still getting
stories.
Let's see what happens when the weather warms.
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