What am I doing wrong

Gordy

Make the top out of expanded metal fabric. Paint it white , or what ever color you choose. You still have the same shelf for the plants with plenty of ventilation through the top. Many gauges and different weaving styles. Maybe you can incorporate into your present design by only cutting out over the rads.

maybemark

It's not just that wood deck, there is 1 or 2" of concrete under the deck, over the radiators. It's too much work for me. I can not do, what I once was able to do

Gordy

So the top is concrete with wood over it?

maybemark

I'm having problems just walking, not doing demo work, and very messy, that dust will go everywhere

maybemark

yes, it's wire lath mesh, instead of plaster, they used concrete

maybemark

I would rather put 2 radiators on each side than do all that work

Gordy

What the Sam hell was that a display window for safes? Band play up there?

maybemark

I have a thought, and it would still be difficult, I've seen like 3" wide and very long vents, that would be placed in front of the windows about 6". I still will have to go thru that concrete

Gordy

hmmm how warm does that top get ever put a thermometer on it. That should store some heat.

maybemark

my house is almost 100 years old, they used to over do things back then
on the top, not hot at all, inside the box top, stores alot of heat
this was the thought of the fan, to blow it out, maybe I need more fans

maybemark

now the water is not even close in temp as of last year, so, the air that blows out isn't hot, like it was last year

Gordy

I do to.........Hanging plants, and a jackhammer.

maybemark

I appreciate your suggestion, and it will work, but I'm not doing it
anytime soon, maybe next summer i might differently

Gordy

I think you know what needs to be done. When it gets cold have to cross that bridge if need be. Not much you can do except what your doing now with the fans. I think a slow gentle air flow maybe even continuous to mimic convection. Especially with lower water temps.

maybemark

maybe i should put another fan on the other corner, so it would be pushing from both sides. The fan that I put there is a desk fan, that osculates, but it does not have blades like most fans you see

maybemark

it's about 12 or 4" tall, and maybe on;y 3" deep, it's very strange, but pushes alot of air

Paul48

Did you understand what Bob was suggesting? Create a slanted top over the radiators, higher towards the room, and lower towards the window(s). Heat rises. You don't have to get elaborate with it. Blocks on top of the radiators, is fine. You want to direct the heat forward into the room. The front has to be low enough to let the air out of the vented panels.

Zman

What would it take to put TRV's on the ones that are too warm?

maybemark

Good morning Carl
I don't know what a trv is.
Paul, thanks for helping me understand what Bob was trying to tell me.
I think I can make it out of aluminum
I have a couple rolls left from when i worked
I can not do this now, I had surgery, and the recovery is not working like it should, because i don't know who to lay down and rest, and put ice on my knee

Zman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostatic_radiator_valve
If you post a picture of you radiator connections, someone could tell you what will fit.

maybemark

I went ahead and took rolled aluminum, was able to get behind the back radiator and got it to the for in the back, then scred it to the underside of the deck, do it sort of as a long 90 degree bend on it and the fan is on the room side of the aluminum
I think this was Bob's idea for the kitchen, I did it on the living room
thanks Bob

maybemark

Carl
you might be able to get to the front valve to change, but no way can you get to the back radiator to change it.
I think I mentioned before, what about having a zone for the living room . Doesn't this boiler have 3 zones available, with different water temp to each zone?
or again i will ask, would putting the circs to high, instead of medium help? Maybe lowering all the other raidiators that are good

Zman

Unless you are able to accurately determine the difference between the supply and return temps at each radiator, it is impossible to tell whether you need more flow or even whether the covers are an issue.
The TRV's would go on the rads that are too hot.

maybemark

I can tell the difference in the basement, the pipes are all exposed

maybemark

oh, your right, I was only thinking of the living room, when i read closer, you mean any other radiator. My mistake

Paul48

It seemed as though all the other radiators were within a degree or 2 of each other. The living room was the problem child.

Paul48

Mark....Look at a 4" duct booster fan. You could make something so it would not be unsightly. SWEI would probably be able to answer if it could be run off a dimmer switch to control it's speed. Drill one hole, nearer to the window. Cheap.

maybemark

Paul
without bring a thermometer in each room, but, each room was comfortable or too hot. So yes, what your saying is true.
I am hoping the aluminum will help

maybemark

so far no change in temp in the living room, but the thermometer is pretty far from the radiator

Paul48

The duct fan would pull all the heat out of that box. It's the easiest , cheapest solution. You make a little, ornamental box to go over it, and it disappears.

maybemark

Paul
that would probably work
but now that i have the aluminum in there now, Iwould have to be far from the windows, since I have a long sweep 90 with the aluminum . I can feel the warm air comming out of there better, than before, I'm thinking another one of the fans i bought, and put in the right place would be helpful

maybemark

Paul
I think that's a good idea, but lets see if this aluminum will be helpful

Paul48

The front of the aluminum needed to be screwed at the level of the front grills....right?

maybemark

the temp is raising in the living room
I screwed the aluminum even with the top of the framework of the grills

maybemark

still 66 in the living room
I don't know about the upstairs, but the rest of the house ranges from 70 - 72

maybemark

Is it a stupid idea on having a separate zone for yhe livingrrom
No one is responding to it (a separate) zone for just the living room?

maybemark

good morning every one
It doesn't appear that the aluminum helped, right now it is 65 or 66 in the living room
The rest of the house is in the 70's actually, it's too warm to have my shirt on.
I went ahead and ordered another fan, maybe 2 will be helpful.
I appreciate all your idea on what to do with my living room, but, at this point in time, I really don't want to loose that deck. I really was hoping that the aluminum was going to help some, it doesn't appear that it is helping.
thanks everyone
Mark

Gordy

Mark you do understand that your living room was always an issue, and your new boiler does not solve that.

So how's the boiler running got a little cooler last night. How's that working out.

maybemark

other than the living room, nice and toasty in the house, actually, a bit too warm, I have not been on the 2nd floor, all Dave is saying it's comfortable

maybemark

Gordy
I didn't expect that the living room would be a better temp from putting in the new boiler. What is happening, is what i expected.
thanks for asking