What am I doing wrong

maybemark

yes, alot of water is coming out

maybemark

it's very comfortable in the house
I still need to balance the system, the living room is 66, the kitchen is 69, and my bedroom is 71. The bedroom radiator is almost turned off

Paul48

OK....Sing along with me......Everything is beautifullllllll

maybemark

what a great voice, Paul

Paul48

LOL........Can you tighten the envelope in the living room?

Gordy

Your AWT is probably only 80-85 degrees.

maybemark

Gordy, maybe it is, to my tough, it doesn't feel much difference to what going out
Paul
The living room has 13 ft ceilings, marvin windows fire place, has 2 layers of brick, 1 layer of clay block and plaster right to the block, I fired out 3/4 inch used boards of insulation between the firring strips and dry-walled over it. also added about 15- 18" of blow in insulation in that attic. The bad thing is, i have 2 huge radiators in the bay of the room, which does not send out the heat well. I put a fan back there, and the fan helps blow out the heat that is built in that bay. It is all enclosed except the front face that has radiator screening in front of it
This is how my house was built.

Paul48

Any architectural feature at the ceiling that needs to be preserved?What's below the livingroom?

maybemark

the boiler room, is below
i have an unusual ceiling, and i do have crown molding that i put in, with led light rope, to shine ion the ceiling.
i am not sure what the ceiling is called, a pan, or a tray ceiling.
The wall and the ceiling do not meet at a 90 degree.
why do you ask?

Paul48

Thinking about possibilities......radiant ceiling. How about radiant floor? I remember the issue with your radiator in the enclosure. It's not cutting it.

maybemark

with less temp of water, I need to turn down the temp on the thermastat I have back there, maybe this will createthe fan to stay on longer.
As far as the floor
I have 90 year old oak floors in great shape, and a plaster ceiling below in the boiler room.
It's a good idea, but my body would not allow me to do this
thanks Paul

maybemark

I just turned the thermostat down for the living radiator fan, the fan kicked on, and maybe this will help warm up that room

maybemark

Another thought i had about the living room, and maybe you will think this is crazy, but what if i had the living room on a separate zone, the living room is directly above the boiler room.
what do you guys think? or is this a crazy costly idea

Gordy

What was the heat loss of the living room

maybemark

Good morniing I have to look it up on my tablet. I'll get back to you soon
the slant fin has a number after the living room, is this the heat loss? 15565

maybemark

yes, I checked, this is the heat loos on that room

Paul48

NO.......Add emitters. Can't think right now, but someone with a clearer head can help you out with the sizing of an emitter, or emitters, based on room temp and btus applied now.

maybemark

Paul help me
Emitters, like radiators, or baseboard?

Paul48

Yes........radiators, panel rads, would be the best choices

maybemark

If i would go to high on the circs, would this help?

Paul48

No.....The room is cold relative to all the other rooms. It, and only it needs more btus. Thermal imaging might help determine where you're losing the most heat in that room.

maybemark

I have a beautiful room, are the panal radiators the ones that go on the wall. i forgot the name of the manufacture, but, I didn't think they are so nice looking, and if I remember, they are very expensive

maybemark

there are 2 huge radiators in my bay, it might have the proper btu's, I am just having a hard time getting the heat out. I turned down the thermostat, lets see if this helps

Paul48

There is no problem so large, that throwing a bucket of money at, can't cure. I can only tell you what needs to be done. If you choose, your living room will be aesthetically cold.

maybemark

Paul
what are the name of the panal radiators?
grundfeld, or something in that order?

Paul48

There's a bunch of different manufacturers........Buderus, Runtal, Myson

maybemark

burderus

SWEI

You should be able to read SWT, RWT, and ΔT on the boiler display.

Getting close!

maybemark

and these radiators run well with low heat?

maybemark

s? water temp
r? return water temp?
delta the difference?

SWEI

Yes, the panel radiators are designed to perform with low temperature water. They come in pretty much every shape and size (rectangular that is.)

Paul48

Properly installed, they are about as neat and clean as it gets. Are they a work of art, such as some of the old CI radiators?......No. You can buy replica, ornate cast iron radiators, just have someone stand by with the smelling salts when you see the price.

maybemark

I just might have to do it
I'll check it out, price and sizes and where to place them

SWEI

SWT = Supply Water Temp = Outlet Temp in Lochinvar-speak.
RWT = Return Water Temp = Inlet Temp

Like this.

maybemark

thanks, I figured it out before you responded, but thanks

maybemark

the 2 walls on both sides of the bay, might be a good place to install the panel radiators.
Is there any brand that would be recommended, and brands I should stay away from.
Problem is, cost is an issue.
I can put 30 wide by anything high.
how many btus am i looking for?
do i still keep the old radiators ?

maybemark

I am looking at the company Buderus. they show them as horizontal, can I use them as vertical?

SWEI

The fins need to be vertical to allow convection.

Near as I can tell, Rettig manufactures the Buderus panel radiators. They offer a wider range of sizes under the Myson label (including some vertical configurations, but those cost quite a bit more than the standard panel style.) You can always stack them if you need to.

maybemark

thanks kurt
how many btus should I be looking for?

SWEI

Do you have the calculated design day heat loss and amount of installed EDR for the problem room? We'll need the same info for at least one (preferably more) rooms which are heating properly.