Replacing loop seal on my return?
I have a wet loop seal/water seal right near the end of my steam main. The loop is leaking a bit and i think i should replace. Should i consider using a steam trap or just replace kind for kind?
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Agreed. Why add moving parts? The Dead Men didn't need a trap there………..
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the crossover trap is only a trap instead of fittngs because it needs to be able to vent air out of the main in to the return.
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I'd just repair it. However if you get ambitious you could set up the bottom so it is more serviceable with better clean out capability.
National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
One Pipe System0 -
Thanks all, very much appreciate. I will replace and try to make it more serviceable.
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@kacrejamReturns , serviceability can be something as simple as a ball-valve boiler drain at the bottom, which would let you flush dirt out.
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We always install a Gate Valve with a tee and 3/4" Boiler drain below the water line, whether its the Hartford Loop or a loop seal (install one on each leg) Its the best way to be able to blow out and Muddy Splunck that congeals at all the low points of a Steam system. We will use a ball valve in a pinch, but the Teflon ring inside them dont hold up long in the superhot steam condensate. Mad Dog
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If you do them like this, you can power-flush 'em out down the road, and the mud and splunck have no chance to collect. Mad Dog
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first place, there isn't that much condensate involved, and second place the condensate is basically distilled water. If you have mjor surging or a way overfilled boiler at some point, maybe…
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England1 -
Or just use two unions. You can take the whole thing off to clean it.
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I needed to add a third union. Thought to share the horror of the sludge i found during replacement!!
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Is it advisable to take apart the loop just to service it …I am pretty sure the two loops on my two pipe system have never been cleaned.
Thanks.
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If it's easy to do — nice unions or blowoff valves or somesuch, there's no harm. Otherwise… I wouldn't touch it unless I had a very good idea there as a real problem, like significant water hammer on that main…
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England0 -
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Exactly Ed, thats why any chance I get and all new installations get Tees instead of elbows and a 3/4" Boiler drain. A gate valve if possible. This saves hours and hours on flushing and cleaning. Mad Dog
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Well this is what i did. Hopefully is better than before. There was indeed a lot of water hammer and essentially sludge all the way to the ceiling. btw, in the background you can see the sealed off old central "district" steam line supply.
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or is that a water seal between mains where it goes down then back up to a higher return?
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Looks great. As Mattmia says, check your system water level to keep the tees submerged. One other thing.... stick a plug is the bottom of each ball valve when you're all done. We dont wanna see Homeowners stacking boxes, exuberant dogs and curious kids inadvertently opening them. Mad Dog
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Nice Job.
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