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New Boiler Copper Piping/bad piping/incorrect install?

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adreamhousenightmare
adreamhousenightmare Member Posts: 2
in Strictly Steam

Hello all,

I just had a new Boiler put in, a Weil McLain Series 6 EG 50 or 55 box wasn’t checked don’t know which for sure.

I am in disagreement with the company/tech that installed the system as I brought up several concerns and I keep getting told things are fine as they are but…

I have hammer, of varying levels (loudness) and 4 radiators do not heat.

The system is a 1 pipe counterflow system with no mains (each run goes directly to one or two risers which lead directly to a radiator.) There are no main vents or riser vents. (keep being told dont need them)

The new near boiler piping is in copper…

I have multiple concerns about the way it was piped and the slop of the piping as well as the size of piping used and that its copper, and that it was soldered not even braised.

I am including pictures, hoping to get some insight into if this system is okay or completely unacceptable.

The header is 2 inch, when the Weil McLain Manuel says it needs to be 2-1/2” or 3” depending on if it is 50 or 55

Also says in the manual that when connecting to a counterflow system it should connect to the top and shows a picture will include also.

Any insight would be welcome.

tag.jpeg wide shot.jpg vent touching pipe.jpeg is this dialectric.jpeg

1 tag

2 wide shot

3 exhaust vent touching steam, is this okay?

4 is this dialectric second one already looks rusty like iron to me? but was told its a dialectric union.

5 is this slope correct and right way?

is this slope correct.jpeg

no slop .jpeg

6 pipe going to two of the radiators that wont heat. no slope?

gas line touching steam run.jpeg

no slope steam, resting on / touching gas line is this safe / code / acceptable?

different connector for patch.jpeg

different unions? for patch

contractor says its all good to go, but i have serious doubts.

if more pictures / info is needed let me know thanks

Mad Dog_2

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 17,043

    different contractor.

    is the boiler even the right size for the system?

    copper above the water line is incorrect. it has to be black iron above the water line.

    the header is too small, it has to be at least the minimum size specified in the installation instructions.

    about 30 other things that are wrong.

    it might work ok if your water quality is perfect but presumably you aren't paying them to spend as much effort as it would have taken to get it right to do it wrong.

    Mad Dog_2adreamhousenightmare
  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 2,613

    Colliding steam header. Reductions galore. Installation stinks.

    SuperTechMad Dog_2adreamhousenightmare
  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 2,613

    Are you sure this is a counter flow system? Seems to be two dry returns, but hard to tell from the pictures

    adreamhousenightmare
  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 2,613

    Did you have Hammer with the old boiler? Did all the radiators heat properly with the old boiler

    adreamhousenightmare
  • SuperTech
    SuperTech Member Posts: 2,669

    It's all wrong. I'd have the contractor read this thread where the experts point out everything they did wrong and give them the chance to correct it. It could be a good learning experience for them. They definitely didn't follow the instructions and use best practices.

    Mad Dog_2adreamhousenightmare
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,450
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1896063#Comment_1896063

    Since they will be fighting with someone over a poor installation, they must go by the manufacturer's instructions and code.


    WM does not say they cannot use copper, at least not that I've ever seen. It would be nice to see that corrected but………..

    However, it is piped incorrectly, so that they can dispute. I believe an EG-50/55 can work with two 2" risers, but does need a 3" header and obviously one of the mains is piped in between the risers which is bad.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    adreamhousenightmare
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,589

    Where are located? Mad Dog

    Consulting by Mad Dog & Matt Jr.
    adreamhousenightmare
  • adreamhousenightmare
    adreamhousenightmare Member Posts: 2

    Thank you for all the responses

    Mattmia, I do not know if it is sized correctly. they supposedly used a the measurements of all my radiators but then didn't want to connect two of them, and didn't connect one that was specifically mentioned in contract, because “it would warm the room by the thermostat to much”, (there is already a large radiator in that room so maybe? but there is piping capped where a second one was or replaced)

    Would you mind pointing out the 30 things I need to be able to take to task

    Steam doctor, I am not sure but I think so, there are no loops back to the boiler, steam and return use same pips although some of them feed back towards the header and some feed back towards the ((cleanout pipe) returns? don’t know what they are actually called)

    The old boiler occasionally hammered but it was more like a tiny ping once in a while.

    Mad dog, East Central, MI

  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 2,613

    If banging started, after installation of new boiler, then obviously, the banging is connected to the new boiler.

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