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What is wrong with this steam boiler piping

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exqheat
exqheat Member Posts: 223
in Strictly Steam
near boiler piping 34.jpg
John Cockerill Exquisite Heat www.exqheat.com Precisions boiler control from indoor reset.

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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 4,132
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    Header won't drain into the equalized properly. Header may not have the proper distance above the water line. A drop header may have been a better choice. However if you are not having any issues I would not worry about it. Is the main parallel or counter flow ?

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    STEAM DOCTORMad Dog_2ethicalpaulEdTheHeaterMan
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,962

    it isn't right but it probably works fine on that 60-80 year old boiler with plenty of space above the water line.

    ethicalpaul
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,884
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1893781#Comment_1893781

    Although, if it isn't banging, it isn't backing up, or at the very least if it is backing up, it's not causing banging. Is it banging?

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,347
    edited April 7

    I think this is a trick question:

    What is wrong with this steam boiler piping?

    No Text, No explanation, No other information, Just a picture.

    And being the proverbial Irishman that always answers a question with a question…. My reply:

    "☘️ Whit aire ya talkin' 'bout? ☘️"

    So without context to the question, You need to tell me more about what is happening on the job.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Intplm.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 20,282

    If the header is level and if it doesn't bang leave it alone the condensate is going back into the boiler. After a cold start very little condensate in a hot header.

    mattmia2Mad Dog_2ethicalpaul
  • exqheat
    exqheat Member Posts: 223

    I was concerned as well about the constriction created by the smaller coupling going up to the system piping?

    John Cockerill Exquisite Heat www.exqheat.com Precisions boiler control from indoor reset.
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,962

    I'm not sure I see a reducer between the main and the header, but it is normal for the header to be bigger than the main, the header slows down the steam velocity so that entrained water droplets can drop out but once those droplets are gone the steam can move faster.

    exqheat
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,884
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1893904#Comment_1893904

    True that is what the larger header is supposed to be for, but if you watch my videos you will see that:

    1. there are very rarely any drops of water that appear even inches above the boiler.
    2. they are not "entrained" but rather, just get randomly splashed up there. Even on my ridiculous experiments with a 5/8" supply, I never once saw a drop that would stay entrained. They just don't.
    3. they fall out of the steam without any need for larger headers—they just hit the wall of the pipes and are then captured

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • exqheat
    exqheat Member Posts: 223

    Everyone should be following this link. It's a good refresher for those that can "see the steam".

    John Cockerill Exquisite Heat www.exqheat.com Precisions boiler control from indoor reset.
    ethicalpaul
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 3,045

    If it's not banging then, as mentioned above leave it alone.

    If it is banging you should install one of these, an eccentric coupling to drain the condensation out of the header.

    Black Cast Iron Eccentric Reducer (Domestic)__92174.png
    mattmia2exqheat
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,962

    or a nipple the size of the header and a reducing ell or a nipple and ell and reducer in the vertical…

    ethicalpaulIntplm.EdTheHeaterManexqheat
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 4,132

    Not convinced an eccentric coupling is best practice. An eccentric coupling would probably be better than it is now. I think an elbow would drain the best.

    image.png
    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    ethicalpaulIntplm.EdTheHeaterManexqheat
  • exqheat
    exqheat Member Posts: 223

    I was concerned as well about the constriction created by the smaller coupling going up to the system piping?

    John Cockerill Exquisite Heat www.exqheat.com Precisions boiler control from indoor reset.
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,884
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1894424#Comment_1894424

    I think you said that before. I'm not sure I see it. Can you provide a zoomed-in screen capture showing it or draw an arrow on the photo pointing to it?

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

    exqheat
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 20,282

    I like to think of the elbow at the end of the header like a waterfall. You wan't the thing oversized so the water just drops out of the header.

    Of course a full size elbow will work.

    It can probably be downsized and still work. Most of the condensate the elbow sees is on start up anyhow.

    exqheat
  • exqheat
    exqheat Member Posts: 223
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    seems this union is too narrow?

    John Cockerill Exquisite Heat www.exqheat.com Precisions boiler control from indoor reset.
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,884
    edited April 16

    The union itself looks fine, appears to be a 2" (or 3"?) from here.

    But are you saying maybe the union has a bushing in the top of it and a very small nipple, like about 1"?

    The photo isn't clear enough for me to know but yeah that wouldn't be ideal. Given the tiny tiny equalizer on here I guess this wouldn't shock me.

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

    exqheat
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 16,962
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1894515#Comment_1894515

    There isn't enough light to tell but there isn't anything where I would expect the end of a reducer would be either so I think the union is the same size as the ells and nipples.

    ethicalpaulexqheat

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