Using service outlet on system2000 to power up
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As with a generator?
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I like your idea @JaymeHart . @bdd , if you are unsure of any modifications to your system that involve life, health and safety, you should consult or hire a professional. Think safety first, last, and always.
Best,
RogerPresident
Energy Kinetics, Inc.2 -
so $100 for like $40 of parts from the supply house. maybe not even that since a 3 way switch is a spdt switch and a 20a spec grade one of those is under $10.
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My boiler was wired to an electrical box with BX cable. I replaced the blank cover with one that would accept a receptacle. Added a electrical plug made for BX cable. I have used a small generator several times to power the boiler when there was a electricity outage.
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No. You MUST have some sort of interlock device so that it is physically impossible to connect the generator to the system without disconnecting the mains power from the system.
There are a number of devices which do that. Some are a good deal less expensive than others. A few can even be installed on the circuit breaker box — provided you know what you are doing.
The rule isn't whimsy. It is to protect you and your equipment — and the linesman who is trying to reconnect your mains power. But it is a rule, and both the civil penalties (including jail) and other penalties (destroyed equipment, death, stuff like that) are pretty fierce.
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England1 -
I might add — linesmen these days are trained to ground all power lines before they work on them. This is to protect them against people whose generators are not properly connected. This does not, however, protect the innocent passerby who happens to step on a line which got energized by some rogue generator down the street.
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England0 -
Be advised If you back feed the grid and get caught you will be the last to get your power restored along with a hefty fine!
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And that will kill his generator!
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I hope your not suggesting my method of connecting a generator to a boiler is back feeding the electrical grid. It is not. Use a standard extension cord to plug the appliance (boiler) into. I am not using an extension cord with a plug on each end.
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I would add, if you look closely at the wiring diagram provided, the outlet is wired to the hot side of the switch . Therefore, it will be live all the time unless the breaker or another switch up stream is thrown.
Robert W.
Energy Kinetics
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My point exactly. unbales that diagram is wonky (it's a little hard to read as reproduced here) plugging the generator into the service plug will energize the entire rest of the building electrics.
JUST DON'T DO IT
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England0 -
Your House
Your responsibility.
It's wrong
It's illegal
and just plain stupid.
There are many devices that prevent any chance of something going wrong!
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Also I am not suggesting the OP use the service outlet on his boiler. If that boiler has all it's electricity supplied though the incoming electric according to the schematic maybe this could work.
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exactly and if you don’t unplug it then you’re back
the safety has to be idiot proof
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It is idiot proof. Unless you suggesting that someone might unplug the boiler an not realize their boiler is not working because it is unplugged.
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all the time the plug is live!
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no it is not. The plug is on the bx cable from the boiler.
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@bdd (if you're still reading this!), the power outlet is directly connected to the incoming power wiring. If you forgot to flip the breaker and plug/unplug in the right order, Bad Things would happen to the line crew, your generator, or both. A better idea would be the generator switch @JaymeHart mentioned, or something like this: https://www.geninterlock.com/ (no association with them, just a google result) which would provide backup for your entire house. I use this style myself. It's safe for the repair crews and, as others mentioned, one of the few legal ways to do it.
I understand that some people have cordsets on their boilers so they can be unplugged from the wall and simply plugged in to a generator, but there is some question whether this is allowed by the electric code in general, and is subject to interpretation by your local electrical inspector/building dept in any case.
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You have a plug/socket for your boiler?
That's a code violation. A boiler must be on an individual, breaker or fuse protected circuit of suitable ampacity, hard wired.
'I don't even want to know what else is going on. I don't want to be on the same distribution mains.
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England0 -
I don't, I have a listed interlock on my panel. It doesn't sound like the OP does ("turn off the breaker", not "unplug the boiler"), but I know I've heard someone on HH saying they did that so it could be plugged in to an inverter. I haven't checked the NEC myself regarding the legality of it, hence the non-committal mention.
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you have 2 threads mixed together here. @Expenses1188 has their boiler cord and plug connected and it unplugging the cord to plug in to the generator which is completely fine(other than maybe some minor code violations about is the appliance listed to be cord and plug connected and mc isn't a flexible cord so not sure about putting a plug on it).
@bdd seems to want to use the completely illegal backfeeding without an interlock method.
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I've heard it said, too, @ratio . Doesn't make it correct. I neglected above, by the way, that an easily accessible emergency shutoff switch is also required…
It occurs to me, by the way, that if our OP does unplug his unit and plugs his generator in to the service outlet, then the unplugged cord (it's a male plug, no?) becomes powered. Aaargh…
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England0 -
Why wouldn't the OP just unplug the boiler from the socket and plug it into the generator with the male end? I don't understand why they are wanting to use the service plug either? I'm also wondering if the power plug thing is maybe regional? They definitely let us use them on residential mod/cons here in northern michigan, the rest sounds about right though, dedicated circuit, shut-off within sight, there are some rules about the nature of and length of the power cord, location of the receptacle etc.
I know all my heating devices are on pigtails (dedicated boiler circuit) for easy generator usage without backfeeding a panel. I did get a legitimate transfer switch this fall to power the whole panel that I haven't used yet, and I always would switch off my mains during any outage I needed to bust the generator out for just from an abundance of caution. am I flying too dangerously here? This thread has me really questioning myself today lol.
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I think you're basically OK, @GGross
Br. Jamie, osb
Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England0
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