dealing with twists in the pex , not staple up. I have Omega extrusions now. YAY!

It is new construction with ICF basement. The top of the pour was OK, but I dialed it in with a laser afterward so the sealing foam under the sill was tight and even.

The east end is hung on ledgers so I have walk out entries back, front, and carport. No steps.

The floor I can heat there is 15" from the outside wall line.

Then I stepped the stemwall down to acommodate traditional plate and rim boards, on the daylight end. I'll work at sealing that up more. The blower door test will tell the tale.

I stopped by the office and they have two of these that I can use.

I spoke to Brad at Radiant in Bozeman. Nice guy. he said they had some 3/8" ThinFin C that had been stored in the wet and had some surface corrosion that I could get at a discount. if it is not in the "C" I don't care how it looks as long as it does the needful.

It will look great after the insulation goes over it and the sheetrock :)

About insulation: I have a kitchen island I don't want to heat, but I like the idea of just keeping the PEX grabbed over the whole length. My thought is to go ahead and put the track in and run it, but omit the insulation right under that island. That way the heat will be halved at least going into the subfloor. It is a conditioned basement below and that heat will not go to waste.

I thought of that. I figured it would be better to secure it as you had explained that it basically traps the tube so it can't walk, and just jacks some more internal stress into it rather than actually growing in length.

I see that a 4' section is not going to grow much so I was over-thinking that process. I had experiences with overheating a storage area before. My ski boots were under an old school waterbed that kept the space very warm. This accelerated the plastic degradation. Many years later I went skiing and did not notice the microcracking of the plastic.

On the first turn the boots just exploded. The entire sole section snapped off the upper and I went sailing down the slope like superman, skis sitting there in the snow. What do you do? pick up all your plastic litter and then ride the chair back down to rent some boots and skis.

The manufacturer rep mentioned it to me. I have some time to research it. A narrow crown staple has some great holding power. They are a bugger to extract.

Their motivation to put in screw holes may have been market driven. Everybody has a screw gun, not everybody has a good stapler and compressor on site.

the plates have 8 holes, look like #8 would fit.

I have the simpson Quick drive subfloor setup. Problem is the shortest screws of any type are 3/4".

With 23/32 subfloor, I'd rather use a 5/8" fastener.

For hand jobbing this little #6 x 5/8" has a sharp point on it. So many short ones are self drilling for sheet metal and you waste half the length in the wood.

I'll test fit a plate. I think they won't take a 10. I saw some SQ drive 8's with pan heads. I got to thinking about the CSK screw in my link above. They tend to move things more.

I wanted to follow up on the VEVOR staple up plates that I initially purchased. I got a caliper and measured them after getting the impression they were not .016

How about .012? I was mad. This was a deliberate profit taking lie and I called them out on it.

I started a return and they went round and round, and came out and said that .012 -016 was in the normal situation, within the normal range of error and not to be concerned.

I did not waste time and got VISA involved.

Then they tried to offer me 10% 20% 50% to just keep and use them. Each time I said no, I was not using them. Eventually they gave me a full refund and did not send me shipping labels, so I have 1200 of these 2' plates that are only useful when trapped between some wood, as @hot_rod had stated in another thread.

I'll seal up the boxes and try to find a good home for them.

they are soft sheet metal. Will not grab anything ever.you could put them face up in channels and then lay the PEX in there, and sandwich the tubes in with wood above. That is all they are good for IMO. If somebody wants them for that purpose they can just pay shipping. Other than that, they are good for peeling all that blue plastic off and melting down for a good purpose.

gotta be 30 Ga then. It was a bridge too far.

Now I have extruded goodness from Montana.