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? actual difference between hot water heaters from supplyhouses and big box stores

mikedo
mikedo Member Posts: 246

does anyone know what the difference between a rheem or aosmith water heater is if bought at a big box store

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  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,555

    The label!

    On ocassion I have found a handful of different labels in the bottom of the box. Assembly must have been confused as to which brand they were supposed to be packaging that day.

    The tanks with longer warranties are the same as the 5 or 7 year. They are just playing the insurance game with the extra $$.

    Some brands and models still use brass drain valves, upsell models may have two anode rods, nicer nipples for connection.

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    ethicalpaul
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,449

    Some gas fired water heaters may have different accessories. Gas valve/burners might be different from one to the other. Some thermostats on electric water heaters have been found to be different as well.

    The tanks, for the most part seem to be the same on residential water heaters.

    The Bradford White water heaters seem to have an advantage in there quality so far as I can tell.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,867
    edited March 2

    Sometimes they will remove or cheapen some features to meet a specification and use a unique model number for the batches sold to large distributors/retailers.

    the different labels are probably so when different marketing operations sell different "brands" whoever they hire to do the actual work can slap the label that matches the "brand" that they sold on it.

    you should put them all on or leave them in the envelope with the instructions.

    i looked at a home depot commercial catalog that had like key cards and soaps and things like that with all the different brandings of some motel chain.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,555

    Having been to a number of WH tank manufacturers over the years, I have never seen different tanks being made for residential sized DHW tanks. I agree features, insulation, etc, and the warranty is where you may see differences.

    I think tanks have been engineered down to a 5-7 year life expectancy.

    We had a nice solar indirect built years ago. Heavier gauge tank and heads, thicker glass coating, 2'' injected foam, 1-1/2" coils, even a thicker metal outer jacket with powder coating. But the market just didn't see the extra $$ value.

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    ethicalpaul
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,867

    If i'm going to spend more on the tank itself i'm going to go with stainless or plastic.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,555

    All tanks fail from one thing or another. Not all places in the country can meet the low chloride numbers that stainless tanks are listing. But, how many actually check or know that? Do you know your chloride levels?

    Chloride levels spike during winter months with all the deicers being used thees days, so you need to check levels throughout the year,

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    LRCCBJ
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,867

    i know what the utility tells me they are and they are slightly above what the manufacturer specifies. different manufacturers have different specs, not sure if it is different alloys or different interpretations of the risk or maybe a little of both.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,555

    I think legally they have to make the water quality report available. Our city does it in a yearly mailer, and it is online. However it is a once a year example.

    I know turbidity changes, I see it in a white bathtub that my wife uses 🙄

    If I were still in the install business I would invest in a chloride specific test kit. If you are not testing you are guessing. I think a titration test kit would work, but I would check with Hanna. If so 60 bucks for 110 tests is a bargin.

    Chloride levels apply to stainless boilers also.

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,421

    I've seen guys returning hotwater heaters at HomeDepot. States NonReturnable in big letters. So who ends up with that returned item?

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,555

    I doubt eating returns hurts HD much. My local HD trashes good lumber every week. My HD guy tells me that have a $5000 a month scrap budget.

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,923

    I've gotten more than one used-then-returned item from the local big box store, as well as obviously-broken and missing-pieces—but the packaging looked ok. It's to the point that I write on the box with a big marker "DAMAGED" or "MISSING PIECES" if I take anything back.

    I gave up trying to figure the ratio of shady to incompetent once I realized that I don't care what it is.

  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,665

    Generally, the consumer stores specify a cheaper price from the manufacturer. The manufacturer often cuts back here and there to grant that price. You'll see an exclusive "HD" model number and maybe a plastic drain valve, a single anode, perhaps a less costly control.

    Most obvious of this were Delta faucets. The Home Depot line was Chinese junk: Plastic spigots, plastic handles. The supply houses carried a higher line that was US-made plated brass at three times the price. Now it seems they are all pot-metal or plastic Chinese junk.

    We agree with Intplm that Bradford White is our go-to for water heaters. They're also pretty costly. The gas ones we install usually see 12-15 years, but that's with very good water quality. We only buy from local supply houses. We call and the tank is usually delivered in an hour.

    mattmia2
  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 3,743

    Hi, One other thing that happens with the warranty, is some places give a pro-rated warranty rather than a full warranty, like tires. So if they tell you it's warranted for 12 years and it leaks at eleven, you get only one year, or 1/12th of the cost of the tank back. It's VERY important to read the fine print.

    Yours, Larry

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,867
    edited 2:30AM

    that was why i didn't succeed the first time i tried to install a faucet when i was like 12 with the peerless install your own faucet. the box had been opened and was missing the instructions and some parts but i didn't know that. i think it was worse with chain stores like meijer in the 80's when that happened. there used to always be that one box that was beat up and taped back together on the shelf. now they usually either send it back and sell it as refurbished or throw it out.

    note that peerless used to be the branding of the cheaper delta/masco stuff, plastic body, plastic ball

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 17,281

    A co worker told me years ago he was talking to a DeWalt rep who told him the HD stuff had plastic gears and was not the same as you could by elsewhere.

    Don't know it it is true.

    I suspect some MFG dial it down cheaper to sell to HD

    and I think others sell there standard products to HD if the price is right.

    hot_rod
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,923

    I can tell you for a fact that the Lowe's version of the Honeywell TH8110 thermostat has (or at least had, I haven't checked since I originally noticed) a different casting of the case, made with different plastic, than the supply house version. Who knows what other changes have been made.

  • Tom_133
    Tom_133 Member Posts: 921

    this is what we experienced with a superhawg many years ago. It blew up drilling big self feeders, and since we didnt pay for it (boss did) we tore it apart and found nylon gears, very hard nylon, but not steel. We returned and went to the local tool shop and paid the extra… it's still chugging.

    Tom
    Montpelier Vt
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,449

    I have found that in some cases they do dial it down. Heck, they have even created a line of cordless power tools. Remember the first Ridgid cordless power tools? I went through that orange tool set within a year. The things fell apart. They were not and or are not the Ridgid quality product that many of us have come to know.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 11,867

    When sears (and all of the huge department stores) they at least branded it with their name so you didn't expect it to be exactly the same.