Since I am good at starting heated discussions

BobC

Things do sometimes get a bit tense at the "gatherin of the clan"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJKnFfQcTBQ&list=PL1D2741FDD48CEC86&index=10

That is from a 1962 record by Richard Dyer Bennett and it is not for children's ears or those who are easily shocked

Charlie from wmass

Pretty much reached futility at page 2

SWEI

ChrisJ said:

This is why people hire home inspectors before buying a home. Part of their job is to look at plumbing and heating issues.

...Which typically consists of a quick look for obvious deterioration issues around flue pipes and an online search for safety recalls on any installed appliances. A really thorough inspector will check serial numbers.

Anyone ever tried holding a home inspector liable for missing something huge? Read the fine print.

ChrisJ

SWEI said:

ChrisJ said:

This is why people hire home inspectors before buying a home. Part of their job is to look at plumbing and heating issues.

...Which typically consists of a quick look for obvious deterioration issues around flue pipes and an online search for safety recalls on any installed appliances. A really thorough inspector will check serial numbers.

Anyone ever tried holding a home inspector liable for missing something huge? Read the fine print.

They should also be checking plumbing for any issues as well.
Mine even found a leaking steam pipe in a crawl space I hate going in because it's so small. If there are any serious plumbing issues, such as heater hose used to connect radiators, he should catch it. Mine also commented on the S trap on my downstairs bathroom sink.

Did he catch the rotted boiler or plugged chimney with the pieced together liner? No, but we were talking about serious plumbing issues done by someone unqualified to do the work. In that respect, I feel my home inspector would've caught it. He did tell me to have a specialist to check the chimney if I had concerns and I should have. That's my fault in my opinion.

That's all.

If your argument is homeowners shouldn't be allowed to do anything to their own homes because home inspectors can't do their job, that I can't agree with.

SWEI

I'm not making that argument at all.

Most home inspections create a false sense of security for both the buyer and the lender. Fixes start around $10k IME.

ChrisJ

SWEI said:

I'm not making that argument at all.

Most home inspections create a false sense of security for both the buyer and the lender. Fixes start around $10k IME.

I think that's a fairly accurate statement and it should be fixed somehow.

Home inspectors *should* catch major plumbing issues.

SWEI

I agree completely, and to be fair, I do know a couple of really good home inspectors. Smart buyers bring their own tradesmen to look at prospective purchases before they commit. An hour of time from a good set of eyes is easily worth what it costs.

ChrisJ

Hatterasguy said:

ChrisJ said:

Home inspectors *should* catch major plumbing issues.

I needed a licensed PE, a considerable step above a home inspector, to walk through the rental house and certify that it meets code. This prevents the local building department from doing it and finding 15 things to force me to do...........or slap fines immediately.

So, he most definitely wants to see the GFI on all kitchen outlets. This kitchen has three outlets in series on the circuit and the GFI is properly placed on the first one.

He rejects it.

I explain that the single unit covers all three.

He doesn't get it.

I ask him to plug in his tester into the two outlets without the GFI.

He does and it confirms proper protection.

He still doesn't understand how that worked!!

Oh boy,

I don't have GFCI's anywhere here except for my two outside receptacles which I installed. The bathroom and kitchen have zero and the inspector didn't care but then again, neither did I. Oddly enough the town didn't have an issue with it either and the house was re-wired with romex in 1987. If I ever get around to redoing the kitchen I'll make it complaint by todays standards though.

JUGHNE

I guess I must make a comment before this goes away.
In rural Nebraska there may not be any building codes enforced by any government entity. The state has adopted a variety of codes but enforcement is another issue.
Amish farmers have moved here in the last ten years or so. They will build a new house, have the electrical wiring roughed in and inspected by the State Electrical Division to be covered.
( I don't believe you have to have wiring in a house in the outback here...but if you do then it is subject to electrical inspection to get the service connected by the utility.)
Then everything in these houses gets blank plates, it is to code and ready for devices.......The main reason is for resale. These are people who are not prone to selling and relocating but they are forward looking enough to realize that no one will want to buy a modern finished house without electrical wiring. So common sense prevails as far as looking to the future.
So we "English" should learn something from what we perceive to be a simple practical culture. That is someone sometime will want something done right and it may make or break the sale down the road.

icesailor

If you hired a professional to fix the Hacksters work, you wouldn't have to be all stressed out over fixing it.

Fred said:

While you guys were having this "Discussion" today, I cut two lawns, Edged them both and spread 12 cubic yards of mulch. I come back in and you are still debating the principals of quality work, be it from a licensed Pro or a homeowner. Huh, Huh, Huh

EDIT: I might get the house painted before this discussion ends but you've peaked my interest

If you'd retire, you'd have more time to spend here.

You'll still be busy. My wife ran her leg into the handle of a wheel barrow, put a big ding in her leg, it got infected, her WBC went to 17,000, its down now, but she wants out. Hospitals are the worse place in the world to be sick in. You can catch some really bad illnesses in hospitals.

ChrisJ

icesailor said:

If you hired a professional to fix the Hacksters work, you wouldn't have to be all stressed out over fixing it.

Fred said:

While you guys were having this "Discussion" today, I cut two lawns, Edged them both and spread 12 cubic yards of mulch. I come back in and you are still debating the principals of quality work, be it from a licensed Pro or a homeowner. Huh, Huh, Huh

EDIT: I might get the house painted before this discussion ends but you've peaked my interest

If you'd retire, you'd have more time to spend here.

Some people such as my self cannot hire a professional to paint our house because we don't have any money.

icesailor

JUGHNE said:

I guess I must make a comment before this goes away.
In rural Nebraska there may not be any building codes enforced by any government entity. The state has adopted a variety of codes but enforcement is another issue.
Amish farmers have moved here in the last ten years or so. They will build a new house, have the electrical wiring roughed in and inspected by the State Electrical Division to be covered.
( I don't believe you have to have wiring in a house in the outback here...but if you do then it is subject to electrical inspection to get the service connected by the utility.)
Then everything in these houses gets blank plates, it is to code and ready for devices.......The main reason is for resale. These are people who are not prone to selling and relocating but they are forward looking enough to realize that no one will want to buy a modern finished house without electrical wiring. So common sense prevails as far as looking to the future.
So we "English" should learn something from what we perceive to be a simple practical culture. That is someone sometime will want something done right and it may make or break the sale down the road.

And there-in lies the reasons for work being inspected and done to the codes in effect at the time. Someday, that house may be sold.

There are statistics somewhere that say that the average house in the USA is sold every 5 to 10 years.

If anyone has seen that Canadian Fix It show with Mike Holmes, "Make It Right" or Holmes Home Inspections, you always see the handy work of DIY handymen doing their own work and converting single family dwellings into three family dwellings illegally and it has to be totally re-wired and re-plumbed because of all the hidden splices in walls and ceilings.

The Amish moves there because it is cheap. When property values go up, they'll be driven out, and they will find a new cheap place to move to and settle. Someone will be buying their nice homes. All pre-wired for electricity.

Back in the 1970's I did a few houses for Earthy Crunchy's that didn't want central heat, just a wood stove. No amount of talking could convince them otherwise. Every time they went away on vacation in the winter, they had to hire someone to keep the house warm and burn wood. Or drain it and find someone to sit and care for their plants.

Then, when they moved to Hawaii to be warm, they didn't get squat for money for a house with no heat, and no easy and inexpensive way to put it in.

Nebraska is forward thinking.

icesailor

BobC said:

Things do sometimes get a bit tense at the "gatherin of the clan"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJKnFfQcTBQ&list=PL1D2741FDD48CEC86&index=10

That is from a 1962 record by Richard Dyer Bennett and it is not for children's ears or those who are easily shocked

I used to listen to that in 1962. I had a lot of his records when I lived in LA.

That certainly doesn't look like Richard Dyer Bennett in the photo on the stage. He usually played Solo.

And we never saw those photo snippet's back in 1962.

JUGHNE

Lets just say that at least the Amish who moved here from Iowa are forward thinking There may have been no more farm ground available at a reasonable price in Iowa for next generations to farm and that might be why they went to the west.

ChrisJ

icesailor said:

JUGHNE said:

I guess I must make a comment before this goes away.
In rural Nebraska there may not be any building codes enforced by any government entity. The state has adopted a variety of codes but enforcement is another issue.
Amish farmers have moved here in the last ten years or so. They will build a new house, have the electrical wiring roughed in and inspected by the State Electrical Division to be covered.
( I don't believe you have to have wiring in a house in the outback here...but if you do then it is subject to electrical inspection to get the service connected by the utility.)
Then everything in these houses gets blank plates, it is to code and ready for devices.......The main reason is for resale. These are people who are not prone to selling and relocating but they are forward looking enough to realize that no one will want to buy a modern finished house without electrical wiring. So common sense prevails as far as looking to the future.
So we "English" should learn something from what we perceive to be a simple practical culture. That is someone sometime will want something done right and it may make or break the sale down the road.

And there-in lies the reasons for work being inspected and done to the codes in effect at the time. Someday, that house may be sold.

There are statistics somewhere that say that the average house in the USA is sold every 5 to 10 years.

If anyone has seen that Canadian Fix It show with Mike Holmes, "Make It Right" or Holmes Home Inspections, you always see the handy work of DIY handymen doing their own work and converting single family dwellings into three family dwellings illegally and it has to be totally re-wired and re-plumbed because of all the hidden splices in walls and ceilings.

The Amish moves there because it is cheap. When property values go up, they'll be driven out, and they will find a new cheap place to move to and settle. Someone will be buying their nice homes. All pre-wired for electricity.

Back in the 1970's I did a few houses for Earthy Crunchy's that didn't want central heat, just a wood stove. No amount of talking could convince them otherwise. Every time they went away on vacation in the winter, they had to hire someone to keep the house warm and burn wood. Or drain it and find someone to sit and care for their plants.

Then, when they moved to Hawaii to be warm, they didn't get squat for money for a house with no heat, and no easy and inexpensive way to put it in.

Nebraska is forward thinking.

Holmes Inspection is borderline a reality show always showing the absolute worst.

Also, a lot of what he finds is new construction done by contractors as cheaply as possible. He said it many many times, contractors build huge great looking houses using the cheapest garbage you can buy and it just doesn't work.

If everyone worked like Mike Holmes we'd have a lot less problems but many don't.

Fred

icesailor said:

If you hired a professional to fix the Hacksters work, you wouldn't have to be all stressed out over fixing it.

Fred said:

While you guys were having this "Discussion" today, I cut two lawns, Edged them both and spread 12 cubic yards of mulch. I come back in and you are still debating the principals of quality work, be it from a licensed Pro or a homeowner. Huh, Huh, Huh

EDIT: I might get the house painted before this discussion ends but you've peaked my interest

If you'd retire, you'd have more time to spend here.

You'll still be busy. My wife ran her leg into the handle of a wheel barrow, put a big ding in her leg, it got infected, her WBC went to 17,000, its down now, but she wants out. Hospitals are the worse place in the world to be sick in. You can catch some really bad illnesses in hospitals.

Ice, I am retired and enjoying every (well almost every) minute of it!
This thread has taken on a whole nother life and it's schizophrenic! I am praying for another winter instead of Spring. That will get you guys back to normal and we can just fight abouthow best to fix a boiler.
Hatterasguy, one of your posts above sounds almost like you consider yourself the Poster police and the only one who has a clear vision. Give us all a break, please. OK, I guess that means I'm the next target for attack

ChrisJ

Fred said:

icesailor said:

If you hired a professional to fix the Hacksters work, you wouldn't have to be all stressed out over fixing it.

Fred said:

While you guys were having this "Discussion" today, I cut two lawns, Edged them both and spread 12 cubic yards of mulch. I come back in and you are still debating the principals of quality work, be it from a licensed Pro or a homeowner. Huh, Huh, Huh

EDIT: I might get the house painted before this discussion ends but you've peaked my interest

If you'd retire, you'd have more time to spend here.

You'll still be busy. My wife ran her leg into the handle of a wheel barrow, put a big ding in her leg, it got infected, her WBC went to 17,000, its down now, but she wants out. Hospitals are the worse place in the world to be sick in. You can catch some really bad illnesses in hospitals.

Ice, I am retired and enjoying every (well almost every) minute of it!
This thread has taken on a whole nother life and it's schizophrenic! I am praying for another winter instead of Spring. That will get you guys back to normal and we can just fight abouthow best to fix a boiler.
Hatterasguy, one of your posts above sounds almost like you consider yourself the Poster police and the only one who has a clear vision. Give us all a break, please. OK, I guess that means I'm the next target for attack

Time to bring up 33%.....
Naa...

So, who's grilling today?

Fred

ChrisJ said:

Fred said:

icesailor said:

If you hired a professional to fix the Hacksters work, you wouldn't have to be all stressed out over fixing it.

Fred said:

While you guys were having this "Discussion" today, I cut two lawns, Edged them both and spread 12 cubic yards of mulch. I come back in and you are still debating the principals of quality work, be it from a licensed Pro or a homeowner. Huh, Huh, Huh

EDIT: I might get the house painted before this discussion ends but you've peaked my interest

If you'd retire, you'd have more time to spend here.

You'll still be busy. My wife ran her leg into the handle of a wheel barrow, put a big ding in her leg, it got infected, her WBC went to 17,000, its down now, but she wants out. Hospitals are the worse place in the world to be sick in. You can catch some really bad illnesses in hospitals.

Ice, I am retired and enjoying every (well almost every) minute of it!
This thread has taken on a whole nother life and it's schizophrenic! I am praying for another winter instead of Spring. That will get you guys back to normal and we can just fight abouthow best to fix a boiler.
Hatterasguy, one of your posts above sounds almost like you consider yourself the Poster police and the only one who has a clear vision. Give us all a break, please. OK, I guess that means I'm the next target for attack

Time to bring up 33%.....
Naa...

So, who's grilling today?

Judging from these posts, everybody is either grilling or being grilled

j a_2

Not by me that's for sure...Fred plz don't wish spring away. Lol... Here in my neck of the woods there is a house almost every 100 ft. On center, with 3 units in each... Not being a busy plumber in Boston simply means you have issues...Got a call Friday night 430 pm, as I was enjoying my new visiting grandson. The call was from a long time friend, whose mom I installed a nice little Jomar boiler in for a few years back.. They live 2 streets over...A national known home inspector service was in there due to the pending sale...My friend called as a rep. for the estate and told me that the home inspector said there was no t and p relief valve on the boiler...and said it a major safety issue...sounded a bit upset...I said if I come over and show Mr Very Expensive home handy dandy the relief valve, someone is paying for me and my families dinner..2 hours later I get a call and an apology, my evening was ruined by the stupid s##t..

ChrisJ

I just got the lawn mower started, topped the snow blower off for storage and am draining the gas out of the generator. I keep the generator empty but had to use it during the winter.

Also need to get the pressure washer running. That sound be fun, I never used it last year and didn't drain it.

After that, I'll be grilling pork chops over lump charcoal

RobG

j a said:

My friend called as a rep. for the estate and told me that the home inspector said there was no t and p relief valve on the boiler

I've never installed a boiler with a T&P, mine just get relief valves.

ChrisJ

RobG said:

j a said:

My friend called as a rep. for the estate and told me that the home inspector said there was no t and p relief valve on the boiler

I've never installed a boiler with a T&P, mine just get relief valves.

Really?
I always assumed hot water boilers got T&P any only steam was pressure only?

Paul48

This has become an exercise in the many different ways to beat a dead horse. Stick a fork in it.....it's done.

j a_2

Chris, I assume Rob G is a heating guy..
And was just joking...posters here like myself, who are or where in the business of plumbing and heating hopefully have a respect for each other..If alls one has to do is be picky about posts then they have way to much free time on there hands...

ChrisJ

j a said:

Chris, I assume Rob G is a heating guy..

And was just joking...posters here like myself, who are or where in the business of plumbing and heating hopefully have a respect for each other..If alls one has to do is be picky about posts then they have way to much free time on there hands...

j a,

I wasn't being picky about anything, I was asking a question.
Please feel free to answer it.

j a_2

Not u Chris it was rob g.

ChrisJ

j a said:

Not u Chris it was rob g.

Oh,

So hot water boilers DO get T&P?
I have no intentions of ever owning a hot water system, but I like to know things.

JUGHNE

All hot water boilers I've seen/installed have a pressure relief valve only. Usually 30 PSI.
All steam boilers I've seen/serviced have a pressure relief valve only. Usually 15 PSI.
All domestic water heater tanks I've seen should have a pressure and temperature relief valve. (there were some pipe plugs and on really old tanks a pressure relief valve only---both of which I don't touch, but give advice and sometimes leave because "this has worked for 50 years like this and you're trying to sell me something I've never needed". If elderly customer I will contact their children/grandchildren (it is a small town) and maybe convince them of a hazard.

Now it seems that when I post on the wall and look for replies (probably too often) that the thread just dies.......maybe we're lucky this time that fate repeats itself.

So are there any opinions on cold condensate returns?

ChrisJ

JUGHNE said:

All hot water boilers I've seen/installed have a pressure relief valve only. Usually 30 PSI.
All steam boilers I've seen/serviced have a pressure relief valve only. Usually 15 PSI.
All domestic water heater tanks I've seen should have a pressure and temperature relief valve. (there were some pipe plugs and on really old tanks a pressure relief valve only---both of which I don't touch, but give advice and sometimes leave because "this has worked for 50 years like this and you're trying to sell me something I've never needed". If elderly customer I will contact their children/grandchildren (it is a small town) and maybe convince them of a hazard.

Now it seems that when I post on the wall and look for replies (probably too often) that the thread just dies.......maybe we're lucky this time that fate repeats itself.

Nope, not lucky this time.
I understand why steam gets pressure only, but why on hot water? Wouldn't a hot water system be at the same danger of exploding as a domestic hot water tank?

RobG

I'm sorry, I should have put a at the end of my post. Once again, I'm done!

JUGHNE

Damn.... I believe it because hot water boilers could run pretty hot. CI rads could handle up to 215 degree water. (this is from the old 200 IBR book) Can't imagine it but there it is. Also boilers would have at least 2 safety limits to cut off the burner.

Water heater tanks might have 2 ECO also, but remember they are already at house pressure of 30 to 80 PSI. That gives them a head start on turning into the basement vertical torpedo.

Also if I'm thinking right, if not someone please correct me. Water tank with runaway burner/elements produces super heated water under pressure. Drop that pressure by opening a faucet could the water flash to steam, expanding more than the faucet could relieve and pop the tank??

icesailor

ChrisJ said:

I just got the lawn mower started, topped the snow blower off for storage and am draining the gas out of the generator. I keep the generator empty but had to use it during the winter.

Also need to get the pressure washer running. That sound be fun, I never used it last year and didn't drain it.

After that, I'll be grilling pork chops over lump charcoal

Unless your running blue LL Av Gas in your generator, its not advisable to put it away and drained.

Many have success with adding a double dose of blue Sta-Bil into the gas tank, topped off, and run the engine until warm, then shot the gas off and run it until it stops.

My Gravely/Kohler, Hondas and Kohlers always started almost instantly in the Spring or Fall when needed. Its cheaper than a new carburetor.

icesailor

JUGHNE said:

Damn.... I believe it because hot water boilers could run pretty hot. CI rads could handle up to 215 degree water. (this is from the old 200 IBR book) Can't imagine it but there it is. Also boilers would have at least 2 safety limits to cut off the burner.

Water heater tanks might have 2 ECO also, but remember they are already at house pressure of 30 to 80 PSI. That gives them a head start on turning into the basement vertical torpedo.

Also if I'm thinking right, if not someone please correct me. Water tank with runaway burner/elements produces super heated water under pressure. Drop that pressure by opening a faucet could the water flash to steam, expanding more than the faucet could relieve and pop the tank??

Why temperature/pressure relief valves were developed.

When you find a water heater dancing on the floor and making odd noises, turn off the power, turn off the gas/energy, and leave immediately. Go away for a few hours. Come back later.

If you open a faucet to see what happens, you might not get to experience the final moments.

icesailor

ChrisJ said:

RobG said:

j a said:

My friend called as a rep. for the estate and told me that the home inspector said there was no t and p relief valve on the boiler

I've never installed a boiler with a T&P, mine just get relief valves.

Really?
I always assumed hot water boilers got T&P any only steam was pressure only?

Standard Watts 100XL-8 T-PR valves blow at the stamped and rated pressure of the valve, They blow well below 212 for temperature, so they aren't blowing off 212 degree steam. If you put a standard rated T&PY valve on a dishwasher booster heater, it will be blowing off regularly. More if no pressure shock (water hammer) device isn't installed.

Many licensed plumbers know this.

ChrisJ

icesailor said:

ChrisJ said:

I just got the lawn mower started, topped the snow blower off for storage and am draining the gas out of the generator. I keep the generator empty but had to use it during the winter.

Also need to get the pressure washer running. That sound be fun, I never used it last year and didn't drain it.

After that, I'll be grilling pork chops over lump charcoal

Unless your running blue LL Av Gas in your generator, its not advisable to put it away and drained.

Many have success with adding a double dose of blue Sta-Bil into the gas tank, topped off, and run the engine until warm, then shot the gas off and run it until it stops.

My Gravely/Kohler, Hondas and Kohlers always started almost instantly in the Spring or Fall when needed. Its cheaper than a new carburetor.

I drain any machine I don't plan on using for a long time. Too many problems with 10% ethanol gas and sitting. I drain the carbs and the fuel tanks.

Never had a problem yet. This is also the instructions most manufacturers print in their owners manuals.

Pressure washer actually fired right up, worked for a while and now I think the unloader is sticking. Seems like it's always something. In the fall, or before, I need to check the valve lash on the snowblower because it was giving me issues.


Here's Honda's instructions right from a current GCV160 owners manual.

j a_2

Rob I am sure u ment no disrespect.... FYI. In Boston condos many hydro air coils are heated by a conventional water heater...Aka boiler to the owner. Relief or t and p..?

SWEI

icesailor said:

If you put a standard rated T&PY valve on a dishwasher booster heater, it will be blowing off regularly. More if no pressure shock (water hammer) device isn't installed.

That's why we have 125 and 150 PSI pressure-only relief valves.

Jean-David Beyer

"In New Jersey does a licensed contractor have to file for a permit and get an inspection on a boiler installation?L

I do not know the law (I am not a heating contractor), but I do know that here in Shrewsbury, New Jersey (Monmouth county) you have to get an electrical, plumbing, heating, building, and gas permit. I know you get inspected for these things. I am not sure if it is the gas company or the local inspector who inspects for gas. You cannot even get permission to connect to the gas meter until it has passed a pressure test. They put about 25 psi into the line late Friday, and it is only allowed to drop a little bit, but it was done to about 5 psi or less; i.e., it failed, by Monday morning. Now there is about 7 inches of gas pressure in it.

Now some of those inspectors were better than others. They all saw the yellow CSST gas pipe (where the contractor could have used a straight piece of one-inch black pipe) that was not bonded at either end, nor was it grounded. All the inspectors passed that.

The PVC pipe was purple from the primer, but the contractor forgot the glue, so the condensate in the vent pipe ran down and into the part of the boiler where the electronics board was and made it act funny, unable to run the boiler. It was pretty easy to see the board was under water, but it took quite a while to find where the water was coming from.

The condensate pump just pumped the condensate onto the ground outside the house. None of the inspectors ever bothered to see where it went. The reason the contractor left it like that was because there were only about two ways to deal with the condensate, and it depended on which inspector we got what would be accepted. So the contractor expected us to fail and we would ask the inspector how he wanted it done, the contractor would then do it that way. Well the inspector passed it without looking at it.

So I guess it does not matter what the code actually says about file for permits and paying the $395 in permit fees.

ChrisJ

Jean-David Beyer said:

"In New Jersey does a licensed contractor have to file for a permit and get an inspection on a boiler installation?L

I do not know the law (I am not a heating contractor), but I do know that here in Shrewsbury, New Jersey (Monmouth county) you have to get an electrical, plumbing, heating, building, and gas permit. I know you get inspected for these things. I am not sure if it is the gas company or the local inspector who inspects for gas. You cannot even get permission to connect to the gas meter until it has passed a pressure test. They put about 25 psi into the line late Friday, and it is only allowed to drop a little bit, but it was done to about 5 psi or less; i.e., it failed, by Monday morning. Now there is about 7 inches of gas pressure in it.

Now some of those inspectors were better than others. They all saw the yellow CSST gas pipe (where the contractor could have used a straight piece of one-inch black pipe) that was not bonded at either end, nor was it grounded. All the inspectors passed that.

The PVC pipe was purple from the primer, but the contractor forgot the glue, so the condensate in the vent pipe ran down and into the part of the boiler where the electronics board was and made it act funny, unable to run the boiler. It was pretty easy to see the board was under water, but it took quite a while to find where the water was coming from.

The condensate pump just pumped the condensate onto the ground outside the house. None of the inspectors ever bothered to see where it went. The reason the contractor left it like that was because there were only about two ways to deal with the condensate, and it depended on which inspector we got what would be accepted. So the contractor expected us to fail and we would ask the inspector how he wanted it done, the contractor would then do it that way. Well the inspector passed it without looking at it.

So I guess it does not matter what the code actually says about file for permits and paying the $395 in permit fees.

Those permit fees sound similar to what I paid here.
The gas company wouldn't unlock my meter until my piping passed inspection which it did before they even ran the line in from the road so the meter was here waiting for me unlocked when I got home.

I tested my line at 40 PSI for a while and then dropped it down to 15 PSI before the inspector came. He then let a little out to make sure the gauge moved and then looked things over. My gas pressure is just under 6" W.C. for whatever reason, kinda wish it was closer to 7".

vaporvac

Regarding the HW tanks: aren't expansion tanks now required in some instances?
@JUGHNE , and here I thought I was the "thread killer."