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Taco needs to create an animation of how the 570 series zone valve works.

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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 27,580

    @Steamhead 's comment just above is why if I'm going to play with electrics I ALWAS use both a non-contact and a contact type tester to verify that the circuit really is dead. I don't like shocks…

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
  • @Steamhead "There was no polarity in the early days…."

    Even back then, there was always a "hot" and always a "neutral", no?

    And they usually fused the hot side.

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    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 4,204

    The thing is with @Steamhead's comment above and if you understand the 3 wire actuator circuit situation and you understand the 24 VAC in the heating equipment (the power for the T-T) may be bonded to ground in the heating equipment or Aquastat, etc., then the other 24 VAC power source for the thermostat and wax motor can NOT be bonded to ground, it needs to be 'Floating'. Or if it is bonded to ground it needs to be phased correctly and someone else can unknowingly easily screw that up.

    An isolation relay or Multi Zone control boxes (Isolated X-X) does make whole ground bonding, either by mistake or intent irrelevant. Since it adds another layer of isolation to the overall circuit situation.

    4 wire actuators by design provide the isolation.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 4,204

    Can't 100% tell, but the white neutral in the picture looks cut, maybe the receptacle to the right does not work. Maybe the wire loops under the box, it looks cut to me.

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    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,700

    That thing looks scary.

    I once knew an old-timer electrician (this was back in the 1970s and he was an old-timer then) who told me that. I had run into an old fuse panel where the neutrals were fused as well as the hots. Back when electric wiring was first being installed, in order to get 120v you might have 60v on either side, just like today's 120/240v service where 120v on opposite sides makes 240v. It all depended on how the local grid was set up. In those days, you only had to break one side of a circuit like that to control a light or other load. Obviously Codes have come a long way since then.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.

    Baltimore, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 4,204

    You know what is amusingly funny. The 3 wire actuator and two transformer secondaries is the same basic 120/240 circuit that powers most homes in the U.S. and Canada. It's just with the utility transformer the two secondaries contained and wired in a sealed can it is hard for others to mess it up. Each secondary has its own load and each secondary only 'Touches' the other at one point.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • I'd say that's pretty damn good, Mr. Ed. I'd click the "Awesome" button, but I think it's better than that.

    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,392

    That’s fantastic, @EdTheHeaterMan.
    You did it! I’m beyond impressed and can’t thank you enough. What a great job.

    Contact John "JohnNY" Cataneo, NYC Master Plumber, Lic 1784
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    EdTheHeaterMan
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 27,832

    Nice job on this, Ed.

    With a disc jockeys voice also :)

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • JBarba
    JBarba Member Posts: 1

    That's really well done and captures the operation of the 570 series very well. Not much I can add other than a few quirky specifics. First off, the actual end switch is a normally closed switch and that little tab on the piston actually holds it open when the valve is closed. As the wax element pushed the piston down, the tab actually releases its hold on the end switch, allowing it to close the end switch circuit.

    The description of the switch lifter on the other side of the piston is 100% accurate - and the fact that it opens and closes, causing the valve to oscillate, breaks the completed circuit on the power side. That does two things - it minimizes any worry of "cross talk," due to the fact the end switch and power circuits share terminal 2. Also, since it breaks power and makes the power draw intermittent, it's how we can put up to three of these babies on a 40 VA transformer, even though it the valve itself has an amp draw of 0.9A, or 21,6 VA. Since that draw is not continuous, you can easily put 3 on a 40VA transformer. The worst thing that will happen is that the valve action might slow down when two or three are all opening at the same time, which usually only happens on start up ur during testing.

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 12,498
    edited 3:00AM

    @JBarba said: it's how we can put up to three of these babies on a 40 VA transformer, even though it the valve itself has an amp draw of 0.9A, or 21,6 VA. Since that draw is not continuous, you can easily put 3 on a 40VA transformer. 

    Thanks for that informatioin. I often wondered about the 0.9 Amp with 3 valves on one 40 VA tranaformer. That makes a little more sense now. I never lost sleep over it but I have wondered about it from time to time. Not like the things the really bother me like "Why is the word Abbrevation so long?" or "why we park on a driveway and drive on the Parkway. And a shipment sent by a car or truck but cargo is sent by ship?!? Those really keep me up at night.

    Well I finally figured out how to actually render the video directly from the OpenToonz software app. This is a much better quality video

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • Lyle {pheloa} Carter
    Lyle {pheloa} Carter Member Posts: 79

    To make things a little more interesting. I had a situation In a 30 unit building, Where I had to replace some 570s. But I had to use something where the direction of flow didn't matter. So, I used the Taco Sentry zone valves and Mario Silva from taco was good enough to send me the following diagram.

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