Taco needs to create an animation of how the 570 series zone valve works.
I've got a 572 zone valve with three wired terminals. The wires from 1 to 2 test at 24 volts when removed from the 572's terminals. When connected to 1 and 2, the reading across them tests at 7.8 volts and the valve doesn't open.
There is a good electrician on the job whom I've known and respected for years. I asked him to have a look. His only comment was "I know what the multimeter is saying, but there can't be 24 volts here." Then I showed him the diagram and how it works to which he replied, and I can't argue…"Terminal 2 gets power from two 24v sources. That' can't work!" He's a good controls guy, but this one is new to him. Also, this was the 3rd zone out of 36 in the house that we're testing this week and next. So far, the others have worked fine.
But we know, of course, that it does.
I've had this ancient, remarkably reliable device explained to me about 100 times in my career and I still don't get it. I implore John Barba, Dave Holdorf, or someone over there to create and release an animated explanation of the 570 series of zone valves.
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They are a bit confusing at first — I certainly was anyway! But the secret is that the three terminals are really two completely different circuits. One (1 and 2) powers the zone valve to open when it gets power — from somewhere. The other 2 and 3 — is a simple limit switch which closes when the valve is open. Apply power to 1 and 2, and the valve motor is energized and the valve opens. When it is opened, the limit switch closes between 2 and 3 and you can use that closure for whatever.
Now there is a ringer in the deck: terminal 2 is common to two circuits. Whatever is sending the signal to open the valve is one circuit. Whatever the valve is telling to operate is the other.
Those circuits must be independent. In theory, under certain miswiring conditions, it is possible to set them up so that they can short out, but if both the independent 24 VAC circuits are intact and NOT GROUNDED this won't happen.
Br. Jamie, osb
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@Jamie Hall But, looking at the diagram, it is absolutely true that the #2 terminal is receiving power from two 24v sources. Seems like trouble to me. And I don't understand the movement of the "heater switch." It ha also been said that the Heat Motor receives intermittent power and it relies of the slow workings of the valve to make or break the 2-3 closure.
I have to see it work or my head will surely explode.
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Basically it works like this:
Terminal 2 receives 24v from R on the transformer. It is connected to the heat motor and the end switch.
Terminal 1comes from the other side of the heat motor and goes to the thermostat. When the thermostat switch closes, it connects to C on the transformer, and activates the heat motor to open the valve. The heater switch keeps the heat motor from overheating.
Terminal 3 comes from the end switch. When the valve opens, the end switch closes, outputting 24V to terminal 3. This tells the boiler to start. But the connection between the 570 and the boiler control can be problematic.
The danger comes from connecting two transformers together via terminal 3. This can burn the transformers up if they are not connected properly. I always use an isolation relay between the 570 and the boiler control, to prevent this. I've used a single relay to handle the Terminal 3 outputs from several 570s that are fed from the same transformer. Yes, it's an extra item and costs a few bucks, but it can save a lot of aggravation.
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@Steamhead 's solution is the better one — isolation relays. There is no problem if the two completely separate 24 VAC circuits are, in fact, completely separate except at the #2 terminal of the valve (or valves — but I'll not get into that!). Where trouble can arise is if there are two connections possible between them, or where someone tries to use the boiler transformer to power a thermostat or something of that sort. Then you can fry transformers instantly. But not if it's wired correctly.
The isolation relay trick will work nicely in any case, and prevents errors from becoming problems!
One other gotcah I just thought of — the thermostat circuit has to be powered with a 24 VAC transformer with enough power to operate the valve motor. You can't just hook up two wires to the valve and two to the thermostat and expect anything to happen.
Br. Jamie, osb
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This is where the confusion starts: "Terminal 2 receives 24V from R on the transformer."
Don't think of it that way. That's how transformers get the factory-installed smoke to leave them.
Think of Terminal 2 as a common, or C terminal. When you look at it that way, it always makes sense. The problem is that not everyone thinks that way, and that's where the trouble begins.
When you come across a Taco 570 Series three-wire motor, where the transformer's 24V R is connected to #2 or common (C), things can get confusing. Eventually, when diagnosing a problem involving a transformer with R connected to the #2 or C terminal on a zone valve motor, you can end up connecting an R and a C from a transformer together.
We all know what happens when you connect R and C together on a transformer and then apply 120V to the primary winding. the factory installed smoke is released.
So think of the taco 570 series motor like this. R from the transformer goes to R on the thermostat. That makes sense all the time weather toy are wiring a heater or air conditioner or heat pump. R is always connected to R and if you use a Red insulated wire that makes it even easier to remember.
Now that you have connected one of the transformer wires to R on the thermostat, you need to connect W (the heat terminal on the thermostat) to something. That should be terminal #1 on the Taco 570 motor. This means that whenever there is a call for heat, the thermostat will send 24 VAC to the Taco motor.
However, that does not make a complete circuit for the Taco motor. You need a return path for the circuit to be complete. This is where terminal #2 becomes a Common (C) terminal. All you need to do is connect terminal #2 on the motor to C on the transformer. This completes the circuit.
That is really all you need to know about the Taco 570 series valve motor. There is more to learn, but if you want the basics to get it right every time, remember this:
Transformer R → Thermostat R (use the Red insulated wire)
Thermostat W → Taco 570 Motor Terminal #1 (use the White insulated wire)
Taco 570 Motor Terminal #2 → Transformer C (I like Blue for this, but use what ever color you have left in the bundle if spaghetti because electric is colorblind)Once you have this circuit in place, you can then use terminal #2 (Common) and terminal #3 on the Taco 570 motor as an end switch, independent of the thermostat circuit.
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Well, @EdTheHeaterMan , that's basically the mirror image of what I posted. I've seen it done both ways in the field. You can fry your transformers either way. This is why I always use isolation relays.
@Jamie Hall , in general a 40VA transformer can power three 570s.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but I'm not seeing how you can hook the two transformers up the wrong way. Their phasing doesn't matter because they are actually two independent circuits, no?
Them being tied together on T2 doesn't really mean much.
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having been in tech support at Taco 25 years ago, this was one of the most asked question.
After reading this tread, there’s been several explanations of why #2 common terminal works. As long as the valve 2, & 3 terminal interface with TT terminals, dry contacts, there’s no issue.
If you continue to have questions contact Taco tech support at 401-942-8000 for further assistance.
Joe Mattiello
N. E. Regional Manger, Commercial Products
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