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Converted to Gas from Oil last year and I REGRET IT BADLY!!

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KeefWeef
KeefWeef Member Posts: 12

Hello All,

So….I had an old (100 years old) oil furnace in my house. She was ugly but kicked out heat like a champ. I was able to keep my house at a nice 74 degrees all winter and it was extremely comfortable. My oil bill would be maybe $150 - $350 depending on how much oil I wanted to have put in the tank. I would do this maybe every other month. After speaking to co-workers and others who all had gas heat they told me it would be cheaper to get gas heat, it was better, my bills would be a lot cheaper. As I already had gas lines in the house from my boiler and clothes dryer, it wasn't that expensive to convert. I paid maybe $10k. NOW…before converting, my gas bill was barely $35 per month. After converting, my first gas bill was $143. The next bill was $248, the NEXT bill was $330! This was OUTRAGEOUS for something that was supposed to be CHEAPER! I called the gas company and they gave me the usual answer: Due to upgrades, delivery and newly approved hikes that was why I was seeing such bills. They offered to put me on a balanced plan where I would pay $80 per. Still much more than the $35 I was paying pre conversion but ok. Continued to have the temp set at 74 degrees and the house was nice and warm. WELL….come the end of the billing year and I owed a whopping $1583 which was the REAL cost of my billing according to them! Since then, I keep my house at a very COLD 68 -71 degrees and I have to wear sweaters and heavy socks and hats. This is RIDICULOUS in my OWN HOME!! My first bill was $303! God knows what my January bill will be! I so REGRET converting to gas and as soon as I get the money up, I'M GOING BACK TO OIL!! I was able to CONTROL my costs AND keep my house warm without having to pay a KINGS RANSOM each month! I'm in Long Island, NY by the way….

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I miss her so much😒

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  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Member Posts: 292

    Although I agree you are spending more with gas then oil, I don't agree with you trying to say you only use $150-350 of oil every other month. That's less than 100 gallons for 2 months with that monster steamer.
    Time to call all those people who 'knew better' and ask them to contribute to your heating costs.
    Also, maybe the new install is wrong-wrong size, wrong piping, incorrectly commissioned.
    Any pictures of the new install?

    Grallertethicalpaulhot_rodIntplm.
  • Grallert
    Grallert Member Posts: 1,074

    Just to be clear. Was the whole boiler replaced or only the burner?

    Miss Hall's School service mechanic, greenhouse manager, teacher, dog walker and designated driver

    mattmia2WaherIntplm.
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,148
    edited December 2025

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 27,064

    If you can determined the actual delivered cost of the two fuels, this calculator crunches the numbers.

    Perhaps the old oil burner was running 80- 82%, maybe lower?

    . A new gas boiler properly sized and installed should run 85-87% efficiencies. Maybe use those numbers in the calculator.

    https://coalpail.com/fuel-comparison-calculator-home-heating

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    bburdHot_water_fan
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 26,998

    For those who perhaps misunderstood — willfully or otherwise — my comment above. I am not — and never have — suggested that switching energy sources is not something to be investigated. If you have alternate energy sources available, and are replacing equipment, do by all means investigate costs and capabilities among all possibilities. That is only prudent.

    With one major caution. Use strictly local sources for your comparisons. Energy costs vary quite widely, even over relatively short distances, with the result that what seems like a no-brainer in one area may be really foolish only a few hundred miles (or less) away. Likewise,, when looking at some else's posted energy costs, do not assume that they are wrong or exaggerated — take into account where they are located and local conditions.

    And a similar word for those who would advise a person posting here on the Wall — make sure that your advice is applicable to THEIR situation in THEIR location. Never assume that your experience will be similar to theirs.

    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    MaxMercy
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 27,064

    The NYSERDA website has historical data on various heating fuel over many years. This shows heating oil costs in you area over a 20 year period.

    You can do the same with NG

    Screenshot 2025-12-29 at 1.22.01 PM.png
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,319

    @KeefWeef , how about a pic of the new boiler?

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    mattmia2ChrisJIntplm.
  • Hot_water_fan
    Hot_water_fan Member Posts: 2,241

    you’d have to tell us the $/therm and the $/gallon to make any judgements.

    ChrisJethicalpaul
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,148

    I always see it mentioned those snowmen run in the 60's as far as overall efficiency.

    I've never tested one my self.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    ethicalpaul
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 27,064

    Any other appliances on gas? You mentioned a dryer. Stove or outdoor barbecue?

    An improperly installed boiler or oversized boiler can cause excessive fuel consumption also.

    A look at the gas bill would show how much you pay monthly just for the privilege of being connected to the grid. And any other bendover fees.

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • KeefWeef
    KeefWeef Member Posts: 12

    Well that's what was spent. I'd put maybe 60 to 80 gallons in it every other month or fill it up once or twice a year. The cost doing that was between the numbers I stated

  • KeefWeef
    KeefWeef Member Posts: 12
    Crown Gas Boiler.jpg

    This is the new gas fired unit.

  • KeefWeef
    KeefWeef Member Posts: 12

    Yes, a gas stove and a gas dryer. I have a gas grill outdoors when I want to cheat at BBQ'ing but that runs off of propane. Cost was no more than $35 per month for using my dryer and stove BEFORE I converted to gas.

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,148

    Can we have a picture of the completed install? Since you've been using it I have to assume there's been more progress than in that picture.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,319
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • KeefWeef
    KeefWeef Member Posts: 12
    edited January 2

    Completed pic

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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,148

    It literally has no piping and no flue connector.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,148

    That's a fairly large boiler.

    How many radiators do you have and what sizes?

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • pedmec
    pedmec Member Posts: 1,283

    Don't blame the boiler. or the fuel. it's looks like an installation issue.

    It looks like your Hartford loop is too high and the condensate return should have been piped down below the Hartford loop tee then back up and connected to the tee to create a trap. this will prevent a bouncing water line from sending steam into the return. The way it's piped you are getting steam in the condensate return. Hard to tell exactly the level of the Hartford loop water level.

  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 2,545

    I would start with water quality. Dirty and oily water, will greatly reduce steam production efficiency and contribute to higher heating costs.

  • leonz
    leonz Member Posts: 1,791
    edited January 2

    I agree with pedmec, it is piped wrong. With all that they should have piped in a double drop header too in my opinion.

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,881
    edited January 2

    Crown calls for a 2 1/2" header, 1 1/2" equalizer, one 2" riser, 2d riser optional..

    Hartford loop is not at all right.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,319

    The riser from the boiler to the header looks smaller than 2-inch- might want to verify that.

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,749

    I wonder how your installer chooses that size boiler. I don't think that the boiler is the problem unless it is too big. In your other thread  you mentioned water leaking on the floor. You paid to turn that water to steam temperature. If that steam ended up on the floor and not in the radiators, that is where some of your higher bill ended up. As others have mentioned, the boiler is not properly installed, the higher cost may be a result of installer incompetence. That is something you should investigate. Perhaps the boiler is too big and using the wrong piping and leaking all combine to make your life more expensive. And after spending $$$$ for a new boiler, that is a real slap in the face.

    You may need to get someone that knows what they are doing in there to look at this mess. Here is another clue: you never use metal duct tape for a vent connector. The installer needs to go to school before they install another steam boiler.  Reading the instruction manual is part of installing boilers.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 18,319
    edited January 6

    @KeefWeef , there are plenty of Steam Guys on LI. Go here:

    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/state/NY/

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 6,881
    edited January 2

    I still dont see the new picture.

    image.png

    Interesting way to tie in the water feed. Hose Bib Connection?

    Only used 1 riser?

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,749
    edited January 6

    I just looked at the installer's website and sent them a message about how poorly the workmanship is in that photo. I wonder what will happen when the people read that message?

    I sent the photo link, and I send a link to https://www.heatinghelp.com/store/detail/the-lost-art-of-steam-heating-revisited/ and said they need to read this book… Then go back and make it right.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    SuperTech
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 6,881

    Better off filing a complaint with

    Consumer-Checklist-for-Home-Improvement-and-Repair

  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 6,881

    Your piping should look more like this

    image.png
    Intplm.SuperTech
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,749

    Interesting phone call was just recieved. Andrea from Nature works Group and they may be interested in making it right. Let's see how that goes.

    I'll keep you posted!

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    pecmsgLarry WeingartenIntplm.
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 8,367

    So I guess natural gas isn't the villain in this story after all?

    NJ Steam Homeowner.
    Free NJ and remote steam advice: https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/new-jersey-steam-help/
    See my sight glass boiler videos: https://bit.ly/3sZW1el

  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 17,148

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    EdTheHeaterMan
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,749
    edited January 2

    This is what I am sending them:

    The near boiler piping looks almost as specified by the manufacturer.  It appears that there are two steam main risers from the old boiler photo.

    Screenshot 2026-01-02 at 10.11.26 AM.png

      It also appears that one of the risers to the main is connected to the header behind the vent connector pipe (incorrectly called smoke pipe). If your pipe size is 2” as it appears to be, I believe that your header is correct, although a better steam boiler fitter would have used both boiler tappings and even used a drop header.  But you are fine with the minimum requirements.  

    Where I see a problem is in the return piping.  With the old boiler the water line was higher and a tee fitting on the return from the end of the mains would have been below the water line and therefore have trapped any steam from one main from affecting the other main.  (see the Tee with pipes A, B, and C) Now that the tee fitting is above the water line, there is a possibility that you will get “water hammer".  Sometimes “water hammer” can be violent enough that old pipes can start to leak where they would otherwise have been just fine for another 20+ years or so.  

    So the first thing you need to do is to get the two dry returns that used to be wet returns to be piped below the water line and then the Tee fitting to connect them should be near the floor. (since the new water line is much lower).  The next error is the fact that there is no Hartford loop. 

    Screenshot 2026-01-02 at 10.08.35 AM.png

    This is an arrangement of piping that the Hartford Boiler Insurance folks required over 100 years ago in order for boiler owners to get their boilers insured.  This piping configuration has been adopted as a standard for all low pressure steam boilers used for heating systems in residential and light commercial installations.  

    Your boiler’s Hartford loop area is piped as a dry return connecting to the equalizer (the pipe that lets condensate from the header drain into the return)  from above (see green pipe in the illustration) , not from the floor up to the Tee on the equalizer using a close nipple as required by the boiler manufacturer diagram (see the blue pipes in the illustration).  This is another possible water hammer and noise location.  

    And one other item that I see that has nothing to do with the near boiler piping but shows that there needs to be some training for the installers is the fact that they used metal duct tape to connect the vent connector (often called smoke pipe).  That is an improper use of metal duct tape and the flue connector pipe should be fastened with screws only since it is a category 1 vent system.  Any leaks in the piping will be from the boiler room into the inside of the pipe so there is no need for an air tight seal.

    I hope that when the installing contractor sees the error of their ways that they will offer to make the proper piping changes at no charge even if you do not elect to have that same contractor do the repairs on the leaking sections of the steam pipes.

    As far as the rest of the system and the leaking steam main pipes that are not near the boiler, since it can not be verified that the leaks were a result of water hammer as a result of an improper boiler install, or the fact that just putting a wrench on an old pipe can cause it to leak. and since the contractor did not include replacing any system piping past the near boiler piping, I  believe it to be the homeowners responsibility to pay for any leaks that are present in the system piping not near the boiler.  Those pipes are close to 100 years old and are subject to consequential damage from anyone working on them. That is what you should expect in a 100 year old home.  If you want a guarantee on all the pipes in your home then you need to purchase a new home with a home warranty. 

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Larry WeingartenGGross
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,749
    edited January 5

    This was posted here incorrectly. Please disregard

    If you want to do the wiring yourself here is something about vent dampers, that I posted, that makes even the experienced technician's head spin.

    The last link in the post from December 2025 has the diagram for the damper in the photo you posted.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,906

    @KeefWeef

    From all the comments above you surely will notice that the near boiler piping is incorrect. It is thought that the boiler is also too large.

    Get a hold of the owners manual/installation instructions and work your problem from there.

    It might just get you some satisfaction. I hope things work out. See @EdTheHeaterMan 's good advice.

    EdTheHeaterMan
  • KeefWeef
    KeefWeef Member Posts: 12
    edited January 6

    Wow….Just wow. Most of what you guys are saying is confusing to me as I'm not a HVAC guy, rather an IT guy! I trusted these guys to install this thing and it's quite frustrating to find that it's INSTALLED WRONG!😡 I appreciate you calling them and giving them a piece of your mind for me. I'm going to give them until the end of next week to call me before I reach out to them. I appreciate you guys pointing out the issues with my setup and the possible cause of why my damn gas bill is so **** high!

    tcassano87