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What Gas Boilers Are Manufactured In The U.S.A.?

Sorta
Sorta Member Posts: 46
edited April 14 in Gas Heating
I would like to buy American with my next gas boiler purchase. A boiler actually manufactured in the United States (not one made that is actually foreign-manufactured, but re-labeled and sold by an American company. My understanding is that this sometimes happens, like the Kiturami (Korean made) combi-gas boiler being relabeled as Laars, Nortiz, etc)

So, what gas boilers are actually manufactured in the United States? (And as an aside, do you prefer a certain manufacturer?)

Thanks all.

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,723
    Are you talking cast-iron or mod-con? Except for Buderus, Vie$$mann and the various Biasi-based ones, most cast-iron ones I know of are made here.

    Mod-cons are a different story. Now that Slant/Fin is gone, it's hard to tell what's made where- even with storied American brands like Weil-McLain or Burnham. You'll need to do some digging.
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  • Sorta
    Sorta Member Posts: 46
    Thanks Steamhead. I was thinking of both cast-iron and mod-con actually. I want to keep my options open. Stinks to her that with mod-cons...it isn't often straight-forward as to where the boiler itself is manufactured.
  • Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes Member Posts: 4,380
    edited April 2023
    Lochinvar is made in Tennessee I believe, except for the heat exchanger which comes from Europe. Great boiler!
    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

    Two btu per sq ft for degree difference for a slab
    GroundUp
  • Tim_D
    Tim_D Member Posts: 129
    I am unaware of a MODCON that is 100% made in America or even North America. Some are assembled here while others are completely manufactured offshore and just rebranded.
    Mad Dog_2
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 24,887
    I doubt there is any boiler that is 100% made in the US.
    Electronics, transformers, switches, relays, brass trim, gas valves even the wiring itself could be sourced off shore.

    I think many of the casts iron blocks are still cast here for Weil McLain, US Boiler/ Burnham, Dunkirk, Utica, maybe Crown/ Velocity.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Solid_Fuel_Man
    Solid_Fuel_Man Member Posts: 2,644
    The thing about mod/cons and the HX made by a big HX manufacturer is that the HX manufacturer has hundreds of thousands of HXs across the world in many boilers. That almost says more than one which is made in-house. It has it advantages as well as disadvantages. 

    When I worked in the automotive industry, outsourcing was sometimes a positive thing. Like when a manufacturer really couldn't make a decent automatic transmission..... then they would use a global source for their automatics and would be much better. Aisin, and ZF come to mind. 

    That said, I've used Weil McLain mod/cons as well as NTI which both use the popular AIC (Poland) made firetube HX. Very well made. 
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  • psb75
    psb75 Member Posts: 1,031
    Triangle Tube is an American Co. in NJ that if famous for making heat exchangers. They were making mod/con boilers for quite a while. I think they still are but there is a line of theirs now named "Ideal" that are made in the UK. So...its a bit confusing. Here is another factoid: Viessmann is the largest boiler manufacturer in the world. I think they make very, very good equipment. Buderus is out of biz. Rolled into Bosch. I believe.
  • jumper
    jumper Member Posts: 2,442
    Frankly I do not understand how so many manufacturers survive in the world?
    Shrinking market for product that can last for decades.
    Wellness
  • Jersey2
    Jersey2 Member Posts: 173

    Energy Kinetics might do good since they won't have a tariff fee.

    I'm not a plumber or hvac man and my thoughts in comments are purely for conversation.
  • Gilmorrie
    Gilmorrie Member Posts: 193

    Weil-McLain boilers are manufactured in Indiana. I have a 3-year-old cast-iron, gas fired W-M boiler that has been trouble free.

    Mad Dog_2
  • MaxMercy
    MaxMercy Member Posts: 536

    OT, but sad that S/F is gone.

    Hap_Hazzardttekushan_3
  • psb75
    psb75 Member Posts: 1,031

    I think American mfgs. may raise their prices— if all of the import models' prices go up. Won't American mfgs. follow the "law" of 'supply and demand' ? Probably. Hey, it's called a "law" isn't it?

    ethicalpaulSal SantamauraGGross
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,705

    All the parts inside that equipment is usually sourced from outside the U.S. Even if it's a U.S. company. I know almost every Honeywell/Resideo part I get is manufactured in Mexico. So we'll see I guess.

    GGross
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 5,917
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,392
    edited April 9

    they will also need to cover the cost of all the foreign sourced parts and materials. even at 4x the cost with tax it is still cheaper to pay the tax than to make it in the us. plus the manufacturer/supplier will reduce the quality to reduce the cost.

    hot_rod
  • delcrossv
    delcrossv Member Posts: 2,104

    I don't see how Honeywell could make the quality worse.

    Trying to squeeze the best out of a Weil-McLain JB-5 running a 1912 1 pipe system.
    LRCCBJMad Dog_2
  • Tim McElwain
    Tim McElwain Member Posts: 4,654

    Here is a list to the best of my rememberance - Burnham, Weil McLain, Triangle Tube, Energy Kinetics, Bryant, Utica, Crown, Peerless and Laars. I am sure I forgot somebody but that is what came to mind.

    ttekushan_3
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 10,363
    edited April 11

    True for many of their offerings, but there are some overseas models in every one of their lineups. The Cast Iron bread an butter boilers may be the Made in America products, but any of those ModCon boilers that they offer ans some of the DHW tanks were from Europe and Asia for years. I wish @Roger would chime in about the EK products. I kind of remember the Columbia Boilers have the Made in America label also

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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,392
  • Roger
    Roger Member Posts: 403

    Thank you all for your kind words about Energy Kinetics! I'm glad this topic came back around to Made in USA…

    All of our boilers are Made in USA with steel and stainless steel from local mills. This includes our gas mod con lineup - I wasn't happy (understatement) with the Euro and Asian models that are heavily designed for manufacturing with tiny water passes and tiny flue passes that can foul and fail. Instead of building a boiler around a foreign pressure vessel, we invested heavily in R&D, development, automation, and robotics to design and manufacture our own pressure vessels in Lebanon, NJ. Has all that hard work payed off? The Accel CS has been on the market since 2013 and we have not had a single pressure vessel failure. They cost more, but are well worth it with long life, quiet operation, and extraordinary efficiency built on high performance, serviceable pressure vessels plus thermal purge for both heat and hot water. Our Sealix "non stick" coated plate heat exchangers are designed to make hot water while driving boiler return temperatures down between 80°F to 110°F, so condensate rains out in a heavy flow and keeps the fire tubes clean. Our Smart Boost means temperature reset can be set very aggressively and the supply temperature will automatically increase if a specific zone is on long enough to require some higher temperature help, techs don't need an engineering degree to set it for best performance and efficiency.

    Of course our spiral pressure vessels used in the System 2000 Frontier/Resolute/Ascent models are also made from specially formulated steel from local mills as well. These are built for ease of service, and although we call them 30 year boilers, we have boilers still running from 46 years ago when the company was founded. We also go the extra mile with Made in USA components down to parts like Ward fittings cast in Pennsylvania, our Energy Manager (built to Mil Spec standards in the USA), insulation and refractory, powder coated sheet metal jackets, and more. We offer American Made burners, circulators, and safety controls as standard as well (some of these have a few sub components are sourced elsewhere).

    We continue to innovate and build on our model of high efficiency, serviceable boilers that are made in USA. Working direct with installing contractors means we have faster feedback and clear intelligence on where we can improve over issues found with non-Energy Kinetics models, and I have to thank our network of high quality contractors, territory managers, and techs that help keep us more than one step ahead.

    Best,

    Roger

    President
    Energy Kinetics, Inc.
    Mad Dog_2SuperTech
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,589

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 12,392

    googling, that's a long time to be in the toilet…

  • RTW
    RTW Member Posts: 221

    As to the proud label of products "Made in USA" is concerned, that ship sailed decades ago. I just read the making of the Ford F150 today relies on parts from 24 ( twenty four) different countries, for example. In recent posts about whether Maid-o-Mist and Hoffman vents where all made in USA , it only generated speculation, and Not a single post from a representative from these manufactures to confirm one way or the other. People raved about the low prices at Harbor Freight, and after going in and seeing everything was made outside the USA, I choose Not to buy a single thing and walked out - never to return.

    I favor steam heat but keep reading on this site about new boilers failing with a fraction of the life span of older cast iron boilers. Just sayin

    All the Best,

    RTW

  • LRCCBJ
    LRCCBJ Member Posts: 1,003
    edited April 11

    @RTW

     People raved about the low prices at Harbor Freight, and after going in and seeing everything was made outside the USA, I choose Not to buy a single thing and walked out - never to return.

    You must be an individual who has chosen to walk around naked…………to the rather unpleasant situation that you have placed all your neighbors. 😁

    RTWPeteA
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,518

    I emailed Jacobus and they responded that the Maid O Mist vents are indeed made in america

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  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 527

    Did she happen to mention North or South ? She didn't say "Made in USA" ?

    One way to get familiar something you know nothing about is to ask a really smart person a really stupid question
    RTW
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,518

    come now

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  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,705

    When you picture intelligent life on another planet (as far fetched as it seems), do you picture them working as a cohesive whole, or like us?

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,518

    it’s not far-fetched, it’s practically a certainty. From ants to fish, to birds, to prairie dogs, to chimpanzees, to us, and certainly to beings in other solar systems there is certainly cooperation. And individuals.

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  • reggi
    reggi Member Posts: 527
    edited April 13

    Maid O Mist was acquired DiversiTech While not explicitly stated in all results, DiversiTech Corporation is widely known to have acquired Maid-O'-Mist. DiversiTech has manufacturing and distribution facilities in the U.S.

    The "All" Factor: Companies often source components globally, and product lines can change, especially after acquisitions (Maid-O'-Mist is now owned by DiversiTech, which has global operations). There isn't readily available public information from Maid-O'-Mist or DiversiTech guaranteeing that 100% of every item carrying the Maid-O'-Mist name is exclusively manufactured in the USA.

    Now in 2017 Permira, the global private equity firm, announced today that a company backed by the Permira funds has successfully completed the acquisition of DiversiTech,

    November 17, 2021 – Permira, the global private equity firm, today announced that the Permira funds have agreed to sell DiversiTech, a market leading supplier of critical Heating, Ventilation, Air Conditioning/Refrigeration “HVAC/R” Parts, Supplies and Accessories, to Partners Group, a leading global private markets firm, for an enterprise value of $2.2 billion. Partners Group and management will be the largest investors going forward, with the Permira funds maintaining an ownership stake.

    So When did you email them 🤣oh and where are they based ? Or is your Crystal Ball still out for repair 🔮🤭

    And it's NOT Illinois 😚

    Edit: additional information

    MAID-O'-MIST HEATING SPECIALTIES, INC.
    Company Number
    CORP_64258826
    Native Company Number
    64258826
    Status
    Dissolved
    Incorporation Date
    19 May 2005 (almost 20 years ago)
    Dissolution Date
    30 April 2020

    Company Type
    Domestic BCA
    Jurisdiction
    Illinois (US)
    Inactive Directors / Officers
    TAMARA A. MARSHALL, agent, 17 Jul 2019-

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,518

    it was January 2025

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  • RTW
    RTW Member Posts: 221

    Please excuse my skepticism:

    I appreciate poster Pauls re-post of communication. However, I would prefer to see posted an actual signed, dated, address, and phone number email from Brian Salem confirming that "ALL components" involved in the manufacture and assembling of Maid-o-Mist / Jacobus are Made in USA. What I see posted is a cut & paste' In fact, ad a Notary Stamp to the document as well

    The chief commercial officer is responsible for developing and implementing sales and marketing strategies to drive revenue and business growth. Their duties include: Megainterview.com+1

    Regards,

    RTW

    Mad Dog_2reggimattmia2
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,985
    edited April 13

    This may be one case where Made in the USA doesn't hold water, if they truly are made here. "In ceteris parabus" (Latin: All other things being equal), they can't hold a candle to Gortons & Hoffmans.

    Gorton & Hoffman's are working professionals choice. They are expensive, Made in USA and the best I have found. They perform & hold up the longest. We are all free to make our purchase choices.

    Germany and Italy also make super high qaulity products too that I use. Mad Dog

    ethicalpaul
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,518

    haha made in USA is always better except for this one company. You guys really crack me up sometimes

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,985

    Are you on their board of directors??? Ha Ha...Yeah Team...You can jump up and Down like a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, you keep trying to put that sqaure peg in a round hole, but you're not convincing us of their equal or greater qaulity...Nice try. Mad Dog

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,518

    I have no idea which one is better quality. I'd have to see real data to know and that data doesn't exist. You like yours and I like mine and he likes his it's all fine. I'm just not quite able to understand how everything from China is junk and everything from US and European countries can be good. It's almost like there is something different between them…I can't quite figure it out.

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