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The "equalizer" is mis-named. It does nothing to equalize anything.

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  • TKPK
    TKPK Member Posts: 73
    edited December 2024

    @ethicalpaul ,

    When you ran your experiment and throttled the main steam riser exposing water in the wet return sight glass (I watched the vid) did you then throttle the equalizer to see if it changed the water level in the same glass?

    I think you are right that the main balances the system but I think the equalizer also has a role in balancing … maybe a much smaller role??

    My system has one main take off that splits:

    Loop 1 returns and combines with the equalizer below boiler waterline, there is a check valve in between dry return drops and the equalizer/main drop.

    Loop 2 splits and 2A 2b return on the opposite side with no equalizer interaction. The main drops are separated from the dry return drops with a check valve.

    I removed the element in the check valve long ago when I did not know **** I was doing but I had water in my main (or dry return) and the only way to get it out was to remove the check valve…10-15 gallons poured out of a system that holds ~5-6.

    if equalizer was critical to pressure balance I would have one side behaving nice and one side struggling? I do have 6’+ drops and operate at 1.5” water max so the water column equalizes just fine … would be interesting if I could see what level each side is at to prove/disprove your theory.

    BTW…I did an experiment and my equalizer temp (measured 24” above boiler waterline never gets above 140F during a long heat cycle. I take that to mean that I am not getting any carryover and steam cannot heat that pipe because it is blocked by air. That or the water in the column below it are enough of a heat sink but I would think if a lot off carryover water was falling down that pipe it would be getting hotter.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,094

    I don't have any problem talking about this topic in this thread or elsewhere.

    I can't remember if I closed the equalizer valve while I was throttling the main steam supply to make the water get pushed out of my boiler, but I can tell you with certainty that it wouldn't matter.

    The equalizer is like a hollow handle on a beer stein—completely unrelated to the level of beer in the glass. I stole this observation from Henry Gifford.

    Please do install a sight glass on your water column, but don't expect anything interesting.

    The one thing that might be interesting on your system is the check valves, which are a complete mystery to me as to why anyone would ever have installed them.

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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 2,004
    edited December 2024

    "The equalizer is like a hollow handle on a beer stein—completely unrelated to the level of beer in the glass. I stole this observation from Henry Gifford."

    The problem I have with this example is the fire is only under the boiler, not the handle.

    The earth's atmosphere is a huge equalizer but you can measure different atmospheric pressures in different places. And how far away is the Sun ?

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  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,094

    I don’t understand your point there. If there is something you can show me the equalizer does during boiler operation, I asked about a dozen times to see or hear about it with zero takers

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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 2,004

    I guess my point was what was your point ? Sure the equalizer looks like the handle on a beer stein, so ?

    Formally it was called a "Bleeder" and was (is) relevant to some systems. The LAoSHR describes it and it sounded reasonable to me.

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  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 2,004
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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,401

    What exactly is meant by "sloshing around" in this case?

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,094

    my point is that I showed it has zero affect. This whole “pushes on the other side to prevent the boiler pushing out water” is a total fiction

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  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,956

    let's rename it the "header drain"

    known to beat dead horses
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 7,094
    edited December 2024

    I see the language in the patent listing from 2002, but 17 years later, Mr. Gifford replied on my thread about the Hartford loop the following, from this post

    (my emphasis)

    As for equalizing the pressure, it definitely does this. But, the pressure between the top and bottom of the boiler is already equal (neglecting the weight of the water). Connecting a pipe between the top and bottom of the boiler equalizes the pressure as much as hollowing out the handle of a beer mug equalizes the pressure between the top and bottom of the mug. So, I see this "function" as useless. What prevents the steam from pushing water back out the return (much) is the (almost) equal steam pressure applied to the returns at the drips.

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