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joeshelmet
joeshelmet Member Posts: 4
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  • Ironman
    Ironman Member Posts: 7,376
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    Is there a question about this?
    Bob Boan
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  • joeshelmet
    joeshelmet Member Posts: 4
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    Can it work ?
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,517
    edited November 2022
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    It should work it was installed many years ago when pipefitters knew what they were doing. Can't say I have seen steam traps mounted on their side though
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  • Jamie Hall
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    joeshelmet said:

    Can it work ?

    Yes it can and will work and heat quite efficiently. Keep the pressure on the system low.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    joeshelmet
  • Long Beach Ed
    Long Beach Ed Member Posts: 1,202
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    Goes great with the high hat LED lighting!
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  • Steamhead
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    EBEBRATT-Ed said:

    It should work it was installed many years ago when pipefitters knew what they were doing. Can't say I have seen steam traps mounted on their side though

    I bet that trap was made by Illinois Engineering Co. It's called an "outboard" trap because the expanding element is mounted after the valve seat. I've seen similar traps from Sterling and Broomell. They work fine, and repair parts are available if needed.

    Do the rest of your radiators have similar traps?
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  • joeshelmet
    joeshelmet Member Posts: 4
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    How can the radiator not be 1/2 filled with condensate ?
  • joeshelmet
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    Barnes & Jones trap
  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 23,280
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    joeshelmet said:

    How can the radiator not be 1/2 filled with condensate ?

    It will have more condensate in it than usual -- but only up to the bottom rim of the trap. That won't keep it from heating.
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    joeshelmet
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,832
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    joeshelmet said:

    Barnes & Jones trap

    It has been rebuilt, then. I don't believe B&J ever made a trap like that- but they are one company that makes replacement parts. So someone has maintained that system.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    joeshelmet
  • ethicalpaul
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    Jamie Hall said:
    How can the radiator not be 1/2 filled with condensate ?
    It will have more condensate in it than usual -- but only up to the bottom rim of the trap. That won't keep it from heating.
    mightn’t it cause hammer if the water is cool?
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  • Pumpguy
    Pumpguy Member Posts: 655
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    Webster did offer a trap with the thermostatic element horizontal, although the outlet was at the bottom of the body.

    I would think mounting a conventional vertical element trap horizontal would allow for some debris build up in the body which may or may not cause problems.
    Dennis Pataki. Former Service Manager and Heating Pump Product Manager for Nash Engineering Company. Phone: 1-888 853 9963
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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 23,280
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    ethicalpaul said:


    Jamie Hall said:

    joeshelmet said:

    How can the radiator not be 1/2 filled with condensate ?

    It will have more condensate in it than usual -- but only up to the bottom rim of the trap. That won't keep it from heating.

    mightn’t it cause hammer if the water is cool?

    Shouldn't, because there is no steam velocity in the radiator to push the water around (the steam is condensing as fast as it can get in).
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
    joeshelmet

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