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Just How Cold Is it?

So cold that a boiler can be removed without a drop of water on the floor...



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  • lchmblchmb Posts: 2,756Member
    was in a living room Sunday, the thermometer said 6 degrees... The boiler was antifreezed but frozen....
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 8,112Member
    That is lovely. You have your work cut out for you! I've opened a house (with steam heat) in bad conditions -- below freezing -- but never as cold as it is today. And I didn't have to rebuild things to get it going.

    The trick for me was to get things up to freezing before the condensate froze in the traps. It was touch and go.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • FredFred Posts: 6,428Member
    Wow, What a job! I love that rad.
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    edited January 4
    Fred said:

    Wow, What a job! I love that rad.

    There are 16 sections in all. It's quite something. Located in the "Breakfast Room", which is co-joined to the "Music Room".

    The Library, Parlor, Dinning Room, & Sitting Room all have floor grates with radiators hung from the ceiling in the basement, with attached ducting to secondary floor grates that pull in the room air and re-heat it. Marvelous.

    But so very, very, very cold...

    Next quandary: How to fill the new boiler with no water source? And mix the mortar for the breeching?

    On ward!

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  • JackmartinJackmartin Posts: 62Member
    I can certainly understand the cold ,I live in winterpeg (Winnipeg) for the first time in many years ,they cancelled New Years celebrations outside because it was too cold! What rot. We live in the area of Canada that has to reach -40 before they say we have an extreme cold warning. However, back to your job, it looks like any steamfitters dream job. The ideal temperature to do this kind of work is about 65 degrees, you are cool enough to be comfortable without a lot of clothes. I wonder who measured the specific gravity of the water and antifreeze mix, I dare say I hope he does not service his vehicles the same way. The house by the way is my idea of a great place to work: history,charm, and a chance to take history apart and see how the dead men thought. I am envious. Be safe and dress in layers I know a little bit about the cold. Happy New Year. Jack



  • unclejohnunclejohn Posts: 1,240Member
    Reading this makes me glad I'm retired.
  • Danny ScullyDanny Scully Posts: 914Member
    @New England SteamWorks, as always, where are the progress pictures?! So stingy :wink:
  • bmedeiros678bmedeiros678 Posts: 11Member

    So cold that a boiler can be removed without a drop of water on the floor...



    No pump required.

    How can I best reach you? I am in North Attleboro and don't think my boiler is working properly.
  • nicholas bonham-carternicholas bonham-carter Posts: 7,130Member
    BME, it’s best to start a new thread on this, and try the” find a contractor” button here for someone from your area.
    Try to make a list of symptoms, and post them here, while you are waiting.—NBC
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    edited January 9

    @New England SteamWorks, as always, where are the progress pictures?! So stingy :wink:

    Hey! I'm not finished yet! I am a seasoned-citizen, after all. I don't move like you younger guys!

    We tried to beat the blizzard this morning. Putting in a Weil 480 oil fired. We got all the sections assembled then peeked out the basement door and decided we'd better get out while we still could. We had 20 miles to get back.

    Barely made it...

    But, feet up by the fire now. All well that ends well.
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  • IronmanIronman Posts: 4,174Member
    How cold is it? So cold that the politicians have their hands in their own pockets!
    Bob Boan







    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • mikeg2015mikeg2015 Posts: 362Member
    My heat pumps kept my house over 52f with 3f average daily temps when my boiler shut down when I was out of town last weekend. A nice piece of mind if you have central air.
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 3,854Member
    Good god. That old boiler is Weil 94 I believe. Never did one and don't want to now but have seen plenty of them but those are the heaviest sections of ANY cast iron boiler. I think they approach 1500 lbs.

    UGH I used to love that stuff.
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    It was an 882


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  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    Here you go @Danny Scully :

    So cold! Basement is 29 degrees. It's exhausting to work in these temps. Still have to figure out how to fill the boiler with no source of water...

    Hope to have heat tomorrow if I can figure it out. One for the Grand Kids..
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  • FredFred Posts: 6,428Member
    Wow, Wow, Wow!
  • IronmanIronman Posts: 4,174Member
    Can you fill some 55gal drums with water/antifreeze and take them to the job site and pump it in?
    Bob Boan







    You can choose to do what you want, but you cannot choose the consequences.
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    It may come to that @Ironman. But for now, I choose to retire for the evening with dreams of Global Warming in my head.

    Positive thoughts...
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  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Posts: 3,854Member
    edited January 6
    55 gallon plastic barrel filled else ware and pump it in. Work fast, drive faster before it freezes.

    never saw a Weil 82 before. The sections are identical to the 94 which is still made. The 82 being a much smaller boiler.

    I am in western, MA. 10 miles from the old HB Smith foundry.

    when I started almost EVERY boiler around here was a Smith. They had this are locked up tight for years. Just about every school had a Smith boiler. We were brainwashed and didn't even know Weil McLain (or anybody else) existed

    But that all changed about 30 years ago

    Very nice job BTW. very professional
  • edited January 6
    That's an X-Ray radiator, no? Page 80 in Dan's E.D.R.

    Nice work, dood! Hope you're able to get some liquid water in there. Keep us tuned in.
    Often wrong, never in doubt.
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member

    That's an X-Ray radiator, no? Page 80 in Dan's E.D.R.

    Yep. Same place I found it. Good 'ol Dan!

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  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    We hit upon the idea of adding a boiler drain between the water meter and the house shut-offs. Even so, we had to apply a torch liberally to get the water to flow.



    Then we ran a hose to the boiler, filled her up, and lit her off about 9:00 last night. Boy was that nice. I don't think I've ever been so cold, and that fire was a joyous feeling let me tell you.

    Having solved one problem, we ran into the next. There are around 30 radiators in the house and those vents haven't been touched in a loooong time, and we won't get to the main vents until Monday. Combine that with a huge house at 29 degrees that needs to be brought up to 70 in fridgid temps, and you can imagine how much water the boiler needs. So I was back this morning at 7:30 and she was only running when enough condensate returned. Sooo, I guess until the plumber fixes all the breaks and we switch the boiler over to regular house water and the VXT, yours truly is going to have to swing by twice a day to add water...


    Back tomorrow to hopefully finish up. A quick shot before we left last night:


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  • Danny ScullyDanny Scully Posts: 914Member
    I mean couldn’t you have stayed for 5 more minutes to take some better pics for me @New England SteamWorks? :lol:
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    BTW, this is a great example of the benefits of steam heat. With the entire house frozen, just imagine if it were a hot water system. What a nightmare that would be...

    With steam we are up and running!
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  • Leon82Leon82 Posts: 492Member
    How long has it been frozen?
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    4 weeks.
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  • Leon82Leon82 Posts: 492Member
    Wow, hopefully the freeze damage is minimal
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 2,077Member, Moderator, Administrator
    I love this. Thanks so much for sharing. What town is the house in?
    "By Hammer and Hand All Arts Do Stand."
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    > @DanHolohan said:
    > I love this. Thanks so much for sharing. What town is the house in?

    Fall River
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 2,077Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Superb. Thanks.
    "By Hammer and Hand All Arts Do Stand."
  • nicholas bonham-carternicholas bonham-carter Posts: 7,130Member
    If “Every Darn Radiator” could be made into an app for the phone, it might have saved Steamworks from some potential frostbite here.
    Imagine putting an object of known size on the rad, take a picture, and the app identifies the radiator type, calculates the size, and EDR automatically.—NBC
  • ratioratio Posts: 1,436Member
  • Danny ScullyDanny Scully Posts: 914Member
    @New England SteamWorks, can this be the sequel? It’s perfect because a) it’s not going to be as good and b) in the end, the same thing will happen :lol:

    Cracked boiler emergency replacement today.
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Posts: 1,010Member
    And good luck to you @Danny Scully ! At least it is no longer sub-zero. Go get 'er!
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  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 2,077Member, Moderator, Administrator
    Ryan, I’m proud of you. Thanks for a grand save!
    "By Hammer and Hand All Arts Do Stand."
  • nicholas bonham-carternicholas bonham-carter Posts: 7,130Member
    edited January 10
    What a great story, and what a great house!
    They are lucky they found you!
    Weren’t there a lot of clothing companies in Fall River?
    I think I went there when I was in prep school in Newport. Madras sports jackets were all the rage, but not warm enough for your work now!—NBC
  • FredFred Posts: 6,428Member
    Beautiful story, house and job @New England SteamWorks !
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