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Plumbers stealing my photos.

JohnNY
JohnNY Member Posts: 3,293
I'm a Master Plumber and owner of Gateway Plumbing and Heating in New York and Toro Plumbing and Mechanical in New Jersey. This company, All Week Heating, is using a picture I took of a boiler installation my company performed several years ago and trying to pass it off as their own work on the front page of their website. I just placed a call to their main number and am sending a link and screenshot to my attorney. Let's see what they have to say.
Is this the company you want to hire?

https://allweekheating.com/steam-boiler-repair-installation-service.html
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  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 10,955
    It is like one of those we fed 1000 hours of something to an "AI" memes.

    Good luck. I'm not even sure how you would go about stopping this without expending a disproportionate amount of time and money. Maybe try the BBB and the attorney general.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,495
    @JohnNY

    Obviously they couldn't post a picture of one of their own jobs that probably look like crap.

    Make it hurt!

    That's a pretty dirty thing to do
    SuperTech
  • realliveplumber
    realliveplumber Member Posts: 354
    They are required by law to display their master plumbing and hvacr license number on all advertising, and vehicles. Is it on the website? I didn't see it.

    The 2 state boards (plumbing and hvacr) take that very seriously.
    STEVEusaPAEBEBRATT-Ed
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,279
    FWIW, Steve Lav..."She's a leaker, Mama!"....said he had someone claim some of his Utube videos as their own. IDK what he did about it, but he now copyrights all his videos and runs his name across the screen once in awhile.
    SuperTech
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,338
    That's just plain wrong. And not too much self worth on their part. I wonder if they'll be at all embarrassed, or it's just par for the course for them. 
  • WMno57
    WMno57 Member Posts: 1,408
    @JohnNY
    These guys are also using your photo. I found them with google image search.
    https://www.forquerheating.com/steam-vs-hot-water-heating
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,293
    Fantastic.  
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  • HomerJSmith
    HomerJSmith Member Posts: 2,635
    edited November 2021
    Boy, that is a clean job, kudos. Fat chance if it isn't copy righted. If you used the picture on a copy righted web site, the maybe there is recourse. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as they say.
    MikeAmann
  • ratio
    ratio Member Posts: 3,793
    With different companies using it in different parts of the country, it might be a website developer using it & not the company themselves. I suppose you'll know one way or the other when (if?) you hear back from them.

    It's still shady to use it, though.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,387

    @JohnNY ..... Make it hurt!

    Think "Deliverance"...... >:)

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    Towson, MD, USA
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  • SlamDunk
    SlamDunk Member Posts: 1,670
    A big company sticker on your installs would curb it. But, yeah, that is tacky. Leave online reviews.
  • PC7060
    PC7060 Member Posts: 1,445
    edited November 2021
    @JohnNY / I’ve have similar problems myself. Fortunately it is relatively easy to file a take down notice under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act. This side provides sample language for notify the site owners. You can also notify the webhosting company of potential violation. It is not required to post notice of copy right; it is a automatically granted unless you specifically waive the right in writing. 

    https://kinsta.com/blog/dmca-takedown-notice/#issue-dmca-takedown-notice

    You can use tin eye or another image search tool to identify other infringements.

    I think I have a example letter in my files. I’ll take look. 
    STEVEusaPACLambTinman
  • Zman
    Zman Member Posts: 7,611
    I was talking to a property manager friend of mine, she told me that every few weeks someone tries to check into a unit with no valid lease from the owner. Someone is taking photos of real condos off of internet ads and using them to create their own listing. They then collect first, last, and security deposits from out-of-town ski bum wannabe's. The poor suckers show up with a bunch of useless emails and no place to live.

    I'll bet in your case some 20-year-old web designer is just grabbing photos and pasting them.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"
    Albert Einstein
  • WMno57
    WMno57 Member Posts: 1,408
    Jim Forquer likes your install photo so much that he used it in one of his YouTube videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA0izb5aF2g

    Maybe the guy that throws pipe through the service truck could be sent to Ohio to collect your YouTube royalties?
    JohnNY
  • GroundUp
    GroundUp Member Posts: 2,124
    As shady as this is, neither of them stated "we built this" while referencing your system. There isn't likely any legal recourse unless that photo is copyrighted. I went down this road a few years ago and was able to work it out personally, but the law didn't care even a little bit.
    JohnNY
  • Rich_49
    Rich_49 Member Posts: 2,769

    They are required by law to display their master plumbing and hvacr license number on all advertising, and vehicles. Is it on the website? I didn't see it.

    The 2 state boards (plumbing and hvacr) take that very seriously.

    License numbers were there . This is a **** thing to do , thEy suck
    You didn't get what you didn't pay for and it will never be what you thought it would .
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    732-751-1560
    Serving most of New Jersey, Eastern Pa .
    Consultation, Design & Installation anywhere
    Rich McGrath 732-581-3833
    JohnNY
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,495
    That's why some state has pictures on licenses. Some jerk on Cape Cod got someones license # off a truck (the other guy worked in Pittsfield, MA other end of the state) and was pulling permits to do jobs on the Cape. He finally got caught. I don't think they could do anything to him because he DIDN'T HAVE A LICENSE.

    That's what doing the right thing gets you. Now a lot of places around here have on line permitting. How do they know who is on the other end of the computer? Pay with a credit card. They don't care as long as they get the money.

    Personally, I am not sure license # on trucks and paperwork is a good idea
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,293
    edited November 2021
    PC7060 said:

    It is not required to post notice of copy right; it is automatically granted unless you specifically waive the right in writing

    Yes. This. Copyright laws are widely misunderstood. I'm a longtime amateur, published photographer and I know the process of registering intellectual property with the federal government is neither necessary nor encouraged. There's just too much content out there to regulate. It all automatically belongs to its creator.
    https://www.instagram.com/cataneo_photo/
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  • PC7060
    PC7060 Member Posts: 1,445
    Website infringement are typically easily mitigated by the infringing party after notice but use in video is going to be a much more $$$ to update. I've included the YouTube copyright takedown request FAQ below if you are interested

    https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en
    Robert_25JohnNYCLamb
  • Solid_Fuel_Man
    Solid_Fuel_Man Member Posts: 2,646
    Well, I'll say that is one beautiful drop header install. 

    I've actually found pictures of my own work on someone else's website. But it was in an array of "wood boilers" and how they work. A little different. 
    Serving Northern Maine HVAC & Controls. I burn wood, it smells good!