Looking at replacing the boiler

phil22

The law in Canada for Emissions in 2023 of January will not allow mid efficanct


boilers anymore
Basically they’re really hard to buy now and the cost of gone up considerably. I have Teledyne Lars Jvs 160 160,000 BTUs it’s running fine it’s from 2009 I haven’t had many problems with it my dilemma is if I don’t buy it now add a considerable cost I won’t be able to buy it anymore they have very few available but now I’m considering Wells McLean with a cast-iron body I need your input if I should go with that instead it’s really awful that they’ve change this law hereI did buy a brand new gas hot water tank 50 gallon already and put a new stack through the roof I don’t know if it’s good just to wait and put a high-efficiency boiler in but I have copper baseboard heating from the 50s three-quarter inch copper pipe in the house about 180 feet of fence seems to really work well with The mid Efficient boilers I’m at a crossroads now if I don’t at least do it soon I won’t be able to buy another one and will have no choice in the future but to spend a lot of additional cost putting in a high-efficiency boiler and removing the new hot water tank in the future any advice would be great

mattmia2

Assuming you have access to someplace to vent a mod con, replacing that with a mod con in 30 or 40 years when it needs to be replaced won't be difficult. A mod con with your baseboard will not be much more efficient than that boiler because of the high water temps baseboard usually needs.

Ironman

Are things different in Canada where the HO buys the boiler and then hires a contractor to install it? That happens occasionally here in the US, but most supply houses won’t sell to HO’s and reputable contractors usually won’t install a boiler that an HO has bought. 

Unless things are different there, I’d be looking for a good hydronic contractor and start doing business with him. The contractor is 95% of the equation.

The boiler you currently have will quite likely last for many years if properly maintained. You may be looking a little too far ahead in your decision making.

EBEBRATT-Ed

It looks like it is installed properly. Keep running it!

JUGHNE

What if someone needs to replace a steam boiler in Canada?

Jamie Hall

JUGHNE said:

What if someone needs to replace a steam boiler in Canada?

Welcome to the Brave New World. Don't laugh, @JUGHNE -- it will be coming to State near you soon.

JUGHNE

Phill22, is that rule in effect for new construction or does it include replacements?

Jamie, as far as applying that ruling for steam, there is more (necessary) steam in use than the green people realize.
Large commercial, instruction, and process systems. Let alone all the small resi steam heating systems.

Pitchforks and torches time!!

phil22

Anyone know how to put Inhibitor in the system can you put it through the bypass valve or in the feeder I have a closed loop system with copper Baseboard fins

phil22

Yes that’s for new construction or retrofit you’re not allowed to install after January 2023 That’s not 90% efficiency you need to buy all the mid efficient boiler is right now because they’re running out

Zman

You should be able to use your axion tank to inject inhibitors.You probably need to "think like water" and close one valve and open a boiler drain to be sure it goes where you want it to.
As far as the boiler upgrade goes, what is your timeline? Odds are, you will get another 12 years out of the Minitherm. What will you be doing in 12 years?

JUGHNE

If I remember correctly, back in the 90's when we could only buy low gallon "no flush" toilets,
there were some 4-5 gallon flushers that came in from Canada. Maybe.

Could be a new business traveling from the states to the north with trucks.