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Steamer Install

EzzyT
EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
We ripped out this oversized and piped horribly wrong steamer.
We installed a Peerless 63-03 with 3” drop header with a for the low pressure gauge and We also upgraded the main venting replaced a bunch of the leaking steam main and dry return piping.
3 of the rooms in the house had copper dinner baseboard that the previous homeowner had installed. We ripped them out and piped in new steam risers and installed 2 free standing cast iron radiators and a wall hung steel Runtal SteamView Radiator in the 2nd floor bathroom.
We also replaced the water heater with a HTP Crossover 20 gallon hybrid high efficiency water heater.
We still have to go back to insulate all the piping and do our final skimming and wanding.
ethicalpaulSTEVEusaPAIronman

Comments

  • John Ruhnke
    John Ruhnke Member Posts: 882
    edited September 2019
    @EzzyT

    WOW!!!!!!

    Excellent Job! What a huge improvement over the last guy with the copper piping. I love the way you did the header!!
    I am the walking Deadman
    Hydronics Designer
    Hydronics is the most comfortable and energy efficient HVAC system.
    ethicalpaul
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    Thanks. @John Ruhnke. The near boiler piping is our standard way of installation.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,760
    That old boiler was actually made by Dunkirk, and- you guessed it- they reduced the steam outlet from 2-1/2" to 2". What is it about Dunkirks that makes people do that..................

    That system won't know what hit it. Nice job, @EzzyT .
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    I don’t know Frank. Almost every Dunkirk and the other ECR manufactured steam boilers we get to see our area are piped in copper and almost in a configuration like the one I posted.
    Thanks Frank.
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
    When a pro show's up on site, quality work is completed. Beautiful job!!
  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 2,827
    As always Ezzy your at the top of your game ,nice neat and clean don’t get any better then that ,there quite lucky to have you do there job .peace and good luck clammy
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • BobC
    BobC Member Posts: 5,380
    That's a great example of how to do it right.

    The old boiler must have been piped by someone with a huge pile of 2" copper fittings that he needed to get rid of.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 5,977
    Sexy...awesome again!

    Hey Ezzy, how do you like the HTP Crossover?
    Any issues-maintenance or otherwise?
    Every hear back from a customer about DHW output or operating costs.
    Just wondering.
    Thanks
    steve
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    Thanks @STEVEusaPA .
    So far we’ve installed about 6 or 7 of them and haven’t had any issues.
    A few of them where on homes with 3+ full bathrooms and no issues with keeping up on the DHW demands. I don’t have the exact operating cost numbers in front of me but what clientele have told me that there where significant savings from there previous hot water heater set up.
    STEVEusaPA
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 5,977
    Thanks
    steve
  • AMservices
    AMservices Member Posts: 605
    You are a master of the art @EzzyT
    Have any pictures of the radiator work?
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    Thanks @AMservices, when we go back to insulate, skim and wand the boiler again I’ll take pictures of the radiators. There’s nothing special about them.
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 1,417
    @EzzyT ----- A beauty of a job. The customer is certain to be satisfied.

    What is that fitting you are using at the end of your skimmer?
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    edited September 2019
    Thanks @Intplm. It’s our speed skimming tool. @Ironman gave me the idea a bunch of years ago. It’s a 11/4” fernco cap with one half cut away. This way there’s more surface area and allows us to skim faster.
  • AMservices
    AMservices Member Posts: 605
    The wall hung Runtal piped to a steam system is what I want to see.
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    The Runtal rad is there SteamView line. The system is one pipe.
  • Danny Scully
    Danny Scully Member Posts: 1,396
    Perfection as per usual @EzzyT. Keep those dead men smiling down on us :wink:
  • pecmsg
    pecmsg Member Posts: 3,567
    Two Thumbs Up @EzzyT

    Question
    Ground wire from hot to cold...….Local code or just precautions?
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    Thanks @pecmsg, the bonding wire is code in the state of NJ.
    pecmsg
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 10,309
    Looking very good.

    Questions, if I may;
    You must feel the double 3" risers are warranted over the minimum of double 2" risers? Any hard numbers/advantages for that?
    Did that boiler come with the Safegard we see or did you swap it for the factory installed Cyclegard?
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 4,194
    JUGHNE said:

    Looking very good.

    Questions, if I may;
    You must feel the double 3" risers are warranted over the minimum of double 2" risers? Any hard numbers/advantages for that?

    Actually, the manufacturer's specification is for a single 2" riser for that boiler :sweat_smile:
    1 pipe Peerless 63-03L in Cedar Grove, NJ, coal > oil > NG
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    edited September 2019
    Thanks @JUGHNE, so the math doesn’t lie the velocities of the steam are significantly much lower with the full-size 3” versus the 2” which in will create dryer steam along with the drop header. I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me.
    I would love to do an experiment with a cut out window looking into the steam chest of two exact same sized boilers one with 2” and the other with 3” to see the true overall difference of the quality of steam is being produced in the steam chest.

    We swap out all the cycleguards to safeguards.
    JUGHNEethicalpaul
  • ethicalpaul
    ethicalpaul Member Posts: 4,194
    @EzzyT is the "steam chest" the volume of space inside the header? or is it inside the boiler?
    1 pipe Peerless 63-03L in Cedar Grove, NJ, coal > oil > NG
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,220
    @ethicalpaul the steam chest is inside the boiler.
    Its from the boiler water to the top of the inside of the boiler sections.
    ethicalpaul
  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 1,564
    As an aside, would be really nice if boiler manufacturers would publish steam chest size. Would be nice to compare side by side.
    ethicalpaul