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SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,788Member
but I found this and thought it worth sharing. Who says steam is dead?

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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    And the 8014 (the Big Boy) has passed her hydrostatic test (now that is higher pressure -- 375 psi) and will be on the road by May!
    Jamie



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  • KC_JonesKC_Jones Posts: 4,071Member
    611 is going to be in Strasburg PA in the fall, going to do the start up tour and ride behind it. 1309 will be up and running in the summer/fall in Cumberland MD.
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  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Posts: 5,538Member
    The steamer had the advantage that the freighter couplings were pulled tight from being stuck on the hill.
    Push the back car first 1", then 2 cars another 1" etc.

    Still one steamer did the job that they sent 3 diesels out to do originally.
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    Did you happen to note the wheel slip near the beginning of the clip? The old girl was giving at all she had -- and the engineer had her well in hand.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • Leon82Leon82 Posts: 566Member
    I think they make them tow the diesel for regenerative braking.
  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,788Member
    JUGHNE said:

    The steamer had the advantage that the freighter couplings were pulled tight from being stuck on the hill.
    Push the back car first 1", then 2 cars another 1" etc.

    Still one steamer did the job that they sent 3 diesels out to do originally.

    Actually, only one of the Diesels broke down, but that was enough to stall the train. The video doesn't say, but I understand locomotive engineers will approach a hill as fast as they can so momentum will help carry the train over the top. Since the train was stalled on the hill, with no chance for momentum, this makes 844's work that much more impressive.

    One of the YouTube commenters says these locomotives are used to haul revenue freight when they are being moved from place to place- they never deadhead (run them without actually hauling something) them. This probably helps justify their upkeep, and also keeps the knowledge alive of just how to run these things. Kind of like what we're doing here.
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    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/all-steamed-up-inc
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Posts: 5,538Member
    One "Car Talk" puzzler was why a particular train needed more cars attached, that is a longer train, to make it thru rolling hills?

    As it was climbing the second hill, part of the cars were pushing it as they came down the first hill.

    Usually had to wait for a week for the answer. ;)
  • FredFred Posts: 7,771Member
    Wow, impressive!
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    JUGHNE said:

    One "Car Talk" puzzler was why a particular train needed more cars attached, that is a longer train, to make it thru rolling hills?

    As it was climbing the second hill, part of the cars were pushing it as they came down the first hill.

    Usually had to wait for a week for the answer. ;)

    Controlling slack action in the train in those situations is a fine art -- and where the men really get separated from the wannabes on the throttle.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Posts: 5,538Member
    As a kid when we still had trains running, I wondered about the bang-bang-bang all the way back to the end of the train.
    Learned later they back up before going ahead to gain that slack.
  • Leon82Leon82 Posts: 566Member
    edited April 7
    > @Jamie Hall said:
    > Did you happen to note the wheel slip near the beginning of the clip? The old girl was giving at all she had -- and the engineer had her well in hand.

    There's a video on YouTube where the wheel slip became uncontrolled and spun itself into destruction. I believe the engineer was injured from one of the control levers whipping

  • Dave0176Dave0176 Posts: 1,036Member
    edited April 7
    Here’s a good one.... UP Challenger 3985 a 4-6-6-4 steamer pulling a 143 double stack cars up Archer hill at 45 mph all by itself.
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  • ethicalpaulethicalpaul Posts: 596Member
    JUGHNE said:

    One "Car Talk" puzzler was why a particular train needed more cars attached, that is a longer train, to make it thru rolling hills?

    As it was climbing the second hill, part of the cars were pushing it as they came down the first hill.

    Usually had to wait for a week for the answer. ;)

    There was another one once that was about the "slack action" too. Something like "why can't you start a train when it's in its stretched state" (but described way better than that)
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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    The problem of starting a long train was much worse in the bad old days of brass journal bearings -- the static friction of the bearings was much higher than the rolling friction, and one did have to put in the slack and start the train car by car. It's much less of a problem now with roller bearings. Control of slack action -- as well as draught gear forces -- is one of the reasons why distributed power in long trans is so popular. Most railroads which operate long trains take a great deal of car in marshalling the cars and distributed power, so that severe slack action is minimized.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • ChrisJChrisJ Posts: 9,575Member

    And the 8014 (the Big Boy) has passed her hydrostatic test (now that is higher pressure -- 375 psi) and will be on the road by May!

    Are you sure about this?
    Do you have a page about it? My boss wants to go see it (Big Boy, not the page)
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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • KC_JonesKC_Jones Posts: 4,071Member
    ChrisJ said:

    And the 8014 (the Big Boy) has passed her hydrostatic test (now that is higher pressure -- 375 psi) and will be on the road by May!

    Are you sure about this?
    Do you have a page about it? My boss wants to go see it (Big Boy, not the page)
    @ChrisJ tell your boss about this one too, they had the boiler steamed up back in October and are selling tickets for July. Not quite a Big Boy, but still an articulated and very cool.

    https://westernmarylandscenicrailroad.blogspot.com/2018/10/western-maryland-scenic1309-reaches.html?fbclid=IwAR3V6WFakt7Hwst8-_1ehfywKob2e-4u5wxXwGuVn8TkTvpE-T9r6s0Sc9M

    https://www.wmsr.com/

    My parents already bought tickets and taking my son along.
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  • Dave in QCADave in QCA Posts: 1,727Member
    I grew up in the little Iowa town of Mt. Pleasant, home of Midwest Old Threshers, "a steam and farm show" Permanently on the grounds are a collection of narrow gauge steam trains. This one, is very unique with 3 vertical cyclindes on one side, like by a drive shaft and pinion gears to ALL wheels on the engine and the fuel car too.
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  • egansenegansen Posts: 6Member
    Dave, I rode in the cab of the shay at Mt. Pleasant when it was there. It is quite different than riding in a conventional locomotive. It is now out west some where.

    I used to volunteer on the steam department at the Boone and Scenic Valley in Boone, Iowa. We have a 2-8-2 mikado number JS8419. It was a thrill to get the highball from the conductor, whistle off, and listen as 195psi. of superheated steam bring a locomotive to life as it worked it's way up a 1% grade.
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  • Jean-David BeyerJean-David Beyer Posts: 2,601Member
    Those locomotives are called Shay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shay_locomotive
  • Dave in QCADave in QCA Posts: 1,727Member
    Yes, and they are only capable of slow speeds.
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    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 10,145Member

    Yes, and they are only capable of slow speeds.

    But they do make an awful fuss while they're doing it!
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • CanuckerCanucker Posts: 521Member
    > @Jamie Hall said:
    > Yes, and they are only capable of slow speeds.
    >
    > But they do make an awful fuss while they're doing it!

    Sounds like one of the guys I work with...
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  • LardLard Posts: 17Member
    Many, many of those Shays were made in my hometown, Lima Ohio. Several of my relatives worked at the Lima Locomotive Works “back in the day” so I grew up around these awesome steamers as the old farts and my father sat around talking about them. The Shays were bevel gear drive/set up for insane torque rather than speed and used primarily for logging and mining. Properly configured, they could climb a 6% grade fully loaded. The simplicity and low speed of the drivetrain means quite a few are still going. They were sent as far away as Australia if I remember right.

    Around here, the Nickel Plate #765 2-8-4 Lima “Berkshire” is based in New Haven, Indiana. Shortly after it was steamed up for the first time after (another) restoration, my brother actually got to man the throttle and take it for a short spin. There are pictures somewhere of my brother and I as little runts standing next to it when it was having work done at its birthplace in Lima 30 years ago.
  • ethicalpaulethicalpaul Posts: 596Member
    Very cool, @Lard! I grew up not far from Lima in extreme southern Michigan, just across the border from Pioneer OH
    1 pipe Utica 112 in Cedar Grove, NJ, 1913 coal > oil > NG
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