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Steam conversion

whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
Our city is forcing us to get off steam. I have steam radiators and steam coil for hot water...any suggestions on best way to convert or to what. No duct work in the house.

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  • CanuckerCanucker Posts: 460Member
    Why are they forcing you off steam?
    You can have it good, fast or cheap. Pick two
  • KC_JonesKC_Jones Posts: 3,665Member
    edited November 7
    Point of carification, are they forcing you off district steam and now you need to install a boiler, or literally making you rip out your steam system? The second one I would have a hard time believing.
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  • EBEBRATT-Ed_9EBEBRATT-Ed_9 Posts: 4,376Member
    ?? Wouldn't have district steam in a house. Need more information
  • Dave0176Dave0176 Posts: 868Member
    I was unaware of any municipality in the US that would force anyone to convert a heating system?? Iā€™d like to hear more about this.............
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    I cannot force people to spend money, I can only suggest how to spend it wisely.......
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Hibbing, MN....what they are basically doing is abandoning steam distribution to everyone but the top 20 customers. They are supplying us with a $7,000 grant and up to a $4,000 zero interest loan. The Public Utilities says
  • KC_JonesKC_Jones Posts: 3,665Member
    edited November 10
    So you need to have a steam boiler installed.

    If you post some pictures we may be able to advise you, not sure about the steam coil for hot water. Most likely need to install a stand alone water heater.
    2014 Weil Mclain EG-40
    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
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  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 8,741Member
    edited November 10
    It won't really be that much of a hassle to install a good steam boiler in your house to take the place of the district system. You will, however, need to have it sized properly and piped right. This isn't rocket science, but it does seem to be beyond the capability of many "heating" contractors, unfortunately.

    Can you go around your house and find out what size your radiators are? That's the first step, and determines the boiler size. We can help you with that.

    Then, take some photos of the existing connections to the district steam system. With those we can make some suggestions as to how to hook the header and returns of your new boiler in to the existing steam and return piping.

    Let me add that if you can get this to work right on your house, you'll be able to help your neighbours and others in the same situation -- and save them all a good bit of cash and trouble.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



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  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Says the infrastructure is too costly to maintain. Same thing happened last year with Virginia, MN
  • Danny ScullyDanny Scully Posts: 999Member
    Who says that @whi7723?
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Posts: 4,836Member
    Do you have any form of chimney going thru the roof?
  • DanHolohanDanHolohan Posts: 14,268Member, Moderator, Administrator
    This also happened in Wilkes-Barre, PA some years ago. Getting a chimney is the challenge.
    Retired and loving it.
  • kcoppkcopp Posts: 3,119Member
    Burnham does make a power vented gas steam boiler...
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Ok will do. I will get some pictures and sizes.
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    We are being offered natural gas as an option. Looking for most efficient heating source...there is approximately 180ā€ of radiator in length. Do you need cubic size or just length?
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Not too worried about the hot water..will probably install a natural gas on demand. Or if you have other thoughts. It would be stand alone.
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 8,741Member
    That's not going to be a problem. Those radiators are very standard -- which is nice. Somewhere on this site there is a summary of "EDR" ratings. There's also a book -- "Every Darn Radiator" with the ratings. You find the same -- or very similar radiator, and it is a matter of length and height and number of tubes. Not a big deal.

    Add them all up, and that will be the total EDR of your house -- then what you need is to get a boiler the same size, or close to it.

    Hooking up to your existing steam lines and condensate return lines may take some ingenuity, and there may be some work to be done on the return lines from the radiators...

    But a lot cheaper than ripping it all out and putting something else in! More satisfactory, too..
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Any other suggestion? Steam boiler the way to go? Or do you convert to hot water boiler?

    Thanks for all the help. I will look up that book. Nice to be educated when the time comes.
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Missed that...I do have a chimney and the PUC says it is too expensive to maintain
  • JUGHNEJUGHNE Posts: 4,836Member
    How open is your basement ceiling to your piping?
    1 or 2 story?
  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    My basement is all open right now...have been remodeling and just gutted it all....what you thinking? Story and a half.
  • Jamie HallJamie Hall Posts: 8,741Member
    OK. If you have a chimney, that simplifies things. And I think you said you had gas? I'd go for a properly sized good boiler -- the Burnham @kcopp mentioned would be a very good choice, but there are a number of them -- and do it's near boiler piping correctly and then connect its header to your existing steam supply piping and its wet return to your existing condensate return. Done.

    Well, as I said earlier, there may be some other tidying up to do.

    That said, I don't suppose there are all that any steam boiler installers in Hibbing... however, with some help from us and an ability to read the instruction manuals which are helpfully provided with the boiler, a really good plumber can manage the job.

    But the very first job is to get the EDR ratings of those radiators.
    Jamie



    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.



    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-Mclain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • Dave0176Dave0176 Posts: 868Member
    Use this chart to measure up your EDR
    DL Mechanical LLC Heating & Cooling 732-266-5386
    Specializing in Steam Heating, Serving most of NJ
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    I cannot force people to spend money, I can only suggest how to spend it wisely.......
  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 12,331Member
    Isn't Hibbing Bob Dylan's hometown?
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  • whi7723whi7723 Posts: 13Member
    Thanks and yes it is. Had a little fun in his childhood home a couple times haha
  • Jim_RJim_R Posts: 180Member

    This also happened in Wilkes-Barre, PA some years ago. Getting a chimney is the challenge.

    Happened in Scranton the next county over in more recent history , space exploration etc šŸ˜ but a old office building I've been going to for years waited to the end and for twenty years the windows have been opened evey winter..On or Off ..lol.. maybe just on ? Just keep the kids away from the windows..

    And @whi7723 Good to see you on top of this but just wondering if the incentives are time sensitive as I believe ( don't quote me on this ) but I thought by law you have 2 years from notification before they can cut you off.. think its Federal.. just wondering how they're treating you..
    Jim
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